Where does Manny rank all time?

[IronDanHamza]

so what it don't matter if you seen them fight or not. If you do your research and know their accomplishments then you can accurately rank them.

Absolutely.

[FeFist]

Between 30 and 50.

[The Tase]

every time there is a list of the greatest of all time in each sport, its always the old school athletes that are ranked the highest even though they played in a athletically inferior era with antiquated rules.

its a ****ing joke and its only done to preserve history. Go across all sports and its like this despite overwhelming analytical and visual evidence.

**** babe ruth. that fat ass wouldnt crack triple a if he played today.
**** bill russell, wilt chamberlain and his one hand dribbling homeys
**** harry greb and his newspaper decisions.

If you're an athlete and you accrued the bulk of your greatness in the 1960s and before,

sorry,

you greatness does not translate over to different eras.

That's just the truth.

[lparm]

You're way off on those "breakdowns", mate.

I would say everyone of those fighters; Ross, Rosenbloom, Williams, Johnson and Conn have better resumes than Pacquaio.

There are fighters on that list that are absolutely up for debate. But those 5 certainly aren't included.

Are you smoking the good stuff my friend?

Manny has legit wins over at least 4 100% HOF fighters and that number is 6 if you include Cotto and Shane in the hall. All that and not counting legit universally recognized linear titles in 3 divisions and a few alphabet belts.

So look at your list and name any of them with at least 6 HOF'ers on their record that you claim have better resumes than Manny.

Remember I'm admitting certain names are better so don't try to be rat and name guys I've already said have better resumes.

[Zano-24]

Neither Manny or Floyd is in the top 10 imo. They are in the top 20 though. The issue with both these guys is them defeating opponents at the stages of the opponents careers. That takes away some of the greatness of the wins they both gained.

[IronDanHamza]

Are you smoking the good stuff my friend?

Manny has legit wins over at least 4 100% HOF fighters and that number is 6 if you include Cotto and Shane in the hall. All that and not counting legit universally recognized linear titles in 3 divisions and a few alphabet belts.

So look at your list and name any of them with at least 6 HOF'ers on their record that you claim have better resumes than Manny.

Remember I'm admitting certain names are better so don't try to be rat and name guys I've already said have better resumes.

Well, Jimmy Mclarnin "has wins" over 12 HOF'ers from Flyweight to Welterweight and he's generally considered to be around the Top 20 mark.

Harold Johnson, the fighter you "broke down" has wins over 2 Top 10 ATG's. Along with 2 other HOF'ers in Bivins and Pastrano.

Billy Conn, another fighter you "broke down" has 5 wins over HOF'ers.

But of course, "having wins" over HOF'ers doesn't necessarily mean anything. What's more important than who, is when.

[IronDanHamza]

every time there is a list of the greatest of all time in each sport, its always the old school athletes that are ranked the highest even though they played in a athletically inferior era with antiquated rules.

its a ****ing joke and its only done to preserve history. Go across all sports and its like this despite overwhelming analytical and visual evidence.

**** babe ruth. that fat ass wouldnt crack triple a if he played today.
**** bill russell, wilt chamberlain and his one hand dribbling homeys
**** harry greb and his newspaper decisions.

If you're an athlete and you accrued the bulk of your greatness in the 1960s and before,

sorry,

you greatness does not translate over to different eras.

That's just the truth.

That's strange because Roberto Duran is universally recognised as a Top 10 P4P fighter.

His videos aren't even in black and white.

[crold1]

every time there is a list of the greatest of all time in each sport, its always the old school athletes that are ranked the highest even though they played in a athletically inferior era with antiquated rules.

its a ****ing joke and its only done to preserve history. Go across all sports and its like this despite overwhelming analytical and visual evidence.

**** babe ruth. that fat ass wouldnt crack triple a if he played today.
**** bill russell, wilt chamberlain and his one hand dribbling homeys
**** harry greb and his newspaper decisions.

If you're an athlete and you accrued the bulk of your greatness in the 1960s and before,

sorry,

you greatness does not translate over to different eras.

That's just the truth.

Take away steroids and the gap between modern greatness and yesterday narrows considerably. Look at the HR numbers in baseball since they started testing. Throw in the ten inch mound Bob Gibson and Koufax threw on and whoa.

A 90 MPH heater that moves is a ***** in any era. So is Babe Ruth's bat speed.

Basketball and Football are the sports where I think the most modernity is in play. The size on the lines is so different in the latter; the size and quality of athlete generally is just sick different in the former...until about the 60s. Elgin Baylor and the Big O, Wilt, Russell...still all studs today.

Boxing is different below Heavyweight than all those sports because it has weight limits. We have to correct for the difference in weigh-ins, but Manny Pacquiao is about the same size with same measurements as McLarnin. It's more apples to apples than other sports.

[lparm]

Well, Jimmy Mclarnin "has wins" over 12 HOF'ers from Flyweight to Welterweight and he's generally considered to be around the Top 20 mark.

Harold Johnson, the fighter you "broke down" has wins over 2 Top 10 ATG's. Along with 2 other HOF'ers in Bivins and Pastrano.

Billy Conn, another fighter you "broke down" has 5 wins over HOF'ers.

But of course, "having wins" over HOF'ers doesn't necessarily mean anything. What's more important than who, is when.

So you're admitting that the guys I broke down all have less HOF names on their resume than Manny. Yet theyre better? Also Johnson going 1 win 5 losses against Archie Moore or winning a split decision over a faded Ezzard is hardly a great resume. So look closer at Harold.

[The Tase]

That's strange because Roberto Duran is universally recognised as a Top 10 P4P fighter.

His videos aren't even in black and white.

why would that be strange?

duran fought in the 70s,80s, & 90s. He fought/competed against modern athletes. There is extensive footage to form a honest analytical opinion on duran.



my post still stands.