Where does Manny rank all time?

[Barn]

I would not critique each name because frankly there are some that accomplished more than Manny but let's pick of a few selected names.

The original slapper - Maxie. He was a slap and move fighter with very little power that fought in a decent but not great lt heavy era and barely held onto the title in several defenses. So no he's far from as accomplished as Manny.

Barney. An excellent fighter with a solid resume but as proven against Armstrong he wilted under pressure. I'd pick a prime Manny over him because Ross was there to hit. Good record won at multiple weights but not as huge a jump as Manny did fly to welter winning 8 legit titles along the way.

Holman. Another very good fighter but like Maxie was a hit and mover from historical accounts. He would lack the power to keep Manny off. But as far as accomplishments he never won a world title and his record is littered with wins over the same guys over and over. Not as accomplished.

Conn. Head to head the larger more powerful conn obviously would be a mismatch but his accomplishments were less than 1 year as lt heavy champ in a weak era with his most notable fight being a KO by Louis.

Harold. Another guy physically bigger than Manny but this is about accomplishments so lets look. He was lt heavy champ for 2 years and his only KO wins was against no hoper journeymen. Manny has better accomplishments.

I might return to this because it's fun picking these the lesser accomplished guys resumes apart but for now I'm done.

Notable fighters I'd say are better than Manny: SRR, SRL, Ali, Roberto, Greb, Hagler, Louis, Benny.

That might be it. Yeah he's top 10 p4p 100% in my book but lower half of the 10.

rosenbloom has like 5 million wins against HOF lol and barney ross beat 2 arguable top 20 atg's in mclarnin and canzoneri, he's on a different level than manny.

and barney has like 5 japanese ww2 soldiers on his resume as well, all while carrying a 200Ib guy to safety.

[The Tase]

Take away steroids and the gap between modern greatness and yesterday narrows considerably. Look at the HR numbers in baseball since they started testing.

there's nothing wrong with using peds.

Its the next step in human evolution.

[crold1]

So you're admitting that the guys I broke down all have less HOF names on their resume than Manny. Yet theyre better? Also Johnson going 1 win 5 losses against Archie Moore or winning a split decision over a faded Ezzard is hardly a great resume. So look closer at Harold.

McLarnin has more actually. McLarnin beat Pancho Villa and LaBarba between Bantam and what we'd call Jr. Feather. Beat Ross and Canzoneri and Billy Petrolle at Welter. Thumped Corbett in 1 for the title (great win). Even went out beating Ambers. McLarnin is, like Ezz, a guy whose record has only looked better with time.

[IronDanHamza]

why would that be strange?

duran fought in the 70s,80s, & 90s. He fought/competed against modern athletes. There is extensive footage to form a honest analytical opinion on duran.



my post still stands.

It's strange because it conflicts what you are saying.

[New England]

rosenbloom has like 5 million wins against HOF lol and barney ross beat 2 arguable top 20 atg's in mclarnin and canzoneri, he's on a different level than manny.

and barney has like 5 japanese ww2 soldiers on his resume as well, all while carrying a 200Ib guy to safety.

[IronDanHamza]

So you're admitting that the guys I broke down all have less HOF names on their resume than Manny. Yet theyre better? Also Johnson going 1 win 5 losses against Archie Moore or winning a split decision over a faded Ezzard is hardly a great resume. So look closer at Harold.

No, because not all of the guys you named for Pacquaio are in the HOF and may not be eventually.

Johnson is 1-4 with Moore, not 1-5. And, pretty much all of those fights were said to be close. And in the infamous 5th fight, Johnson was dominating before the stoppage.

But I won't stand here and compare Johnson to Archie Moore. The fact he beat him at all speaks volumes.

And, you said Pacquaio has 4 wins over 100% HOF'ers. So does Johnson.

And, again, Johnson has two wins over Top 10 ATG's.

Funny you say a "faded" Ezzard Charles then list the guys you do for Pacquaio.

A list of fighters on that list have beaten more HOF'ers than Pacquaio.

But again, more importantly than who, is when.

[hugh grant]

Yes in 8 years consistently fighting the top fighters apart from one or two fighters like although much bigger than him like Margarito and old SSM. ONly JMM has tessted him which is his krptonite. And Pac keeps giving him another chance thats how brave Pac is for keep facing his krptonite, even Superman steared clear of it.

Remeber this. ONly one man has tested him in 8 years of top flight competition.

[The Tase]

It's strange because it conflicts what you are saying.

no it doesnt.

[IronDanHamza]

no it doesnt.

Oh, so Roberto Duran is an "old school" fighter to you?

Oh ok, that's fair enough.

[The Tase]

Oh, so Roberto Duran is an "old school" fighter to you?

Oh ok, that's fair enough.

i consider old school athletes 1960s and below.