Where does Manny rank all time?

[I Love Jesus!]

Like anyone here actually knows enough about the sports history and has seen enough of these old timey fighters to even make a credible list they could defend.

iron dan seems to know his stuff.

[Prince_Pugilist]

Have you ever seen George Benton?

Edit: how would you rate Ricardo Lopez as a tactician?

Heard of both, haven't seen much of either. I know Benton was a top rate middleweight though and many people speak highly of Lopez. Lopez was flyweight right? Harder to catch lighter division fights from abroad here in the UK. So the years he was active kinda passed me by. I might catch up with some of his fights.

What do you think of those guys?

[The Tase]

39 who I personally would likely have infront of him? Off the top of my head;

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Henry Armstrong
Archie Moore
Carlos Monzon
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Ray Leoanrd
Alexis Arguello
Bob Fitzsimmons
Emile Griffith
Mickey Walker
Eder Jofre
Jose Napoles
Maxie Rosenbloom
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Mclarnin
Roberto Duran
Barney Ross
Joe Walcott
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Holman Williams
Charley Burley
Kid Gavilan
Sandy Saddler
Billy Conn
Carlos Oritz
Terry McGovern
**** Tiger
Harold Johnson
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jake Lamotta.

another bull**** old school fighter dominated list.

have you seen joe gans fight?

have you seen maxie rosenbloom fight?

have you seen holman williams fight?


im not even gonna ask about newspaper decision legend harry greb...

yet yall are so sure about these guys and act all high and mighty and think these guys who have no film footage are better than greats who have extensive video.

i cant stand people who mythologize old ass athletes into superhuman proportions just for the sake of preserving history.


GTFO.

[puga]

39 who I personally would likely have infront of him? Off the top of my head;

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Henry Armstrong
Archie Moore
Carlos Monzon
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Ray Leoanrd
Alexis Arguello
Bob Fitzsimmons
Emile Griffith
Mickey Walker
Eder Jofre
Jose Napoles
Maxie Rosenbloom
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Mclarnin
Roberto Duran
Barney Ross
Joe Walcott
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Holman Williams
Charley Burley
Kid Gavilan
Sandy Saddler
Billy Conn
Carlos Oritz
Terry McGovern
**** Tiger
Harold Johnson
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jake Lamotta.

most of these guy have only quantity over pac than anything esp the real old school fighters who gets overrated a lot..chavez sr over pac ? arguello? lamotta? carlos ortiz? etc..i dont think the bwwaa will agree to this

[The Tase]

most of these guy have only quantity over pac than anything esp the real old school fighters who gets overrated a lot becuase..chavez sr over pac ? arguello? lamotta? carlos ortiz? etc..i dont think the bwwaa will agree to this

most of those guys he has never seen them fight but he's so sure of their
placement in his list.

its a ****ing sick joke.

[{Pito}]

Heard of both, haven't seen much of either. I know Benton was a top rate middleweight though and many people speak highly of Lopez. Lopez was flyweight right? Harder to catch lighter division fights from abroad here in the UK. So the years he was active kinda passed me by. I might catch up with some of his fights.

What do you think of those guys?

George Benton? Smoothest/calmest fighter aside from James Toney that I've seen. Excellent offense/set-ups. Never wasted movement. Maneuvered you t where he wanted you with the most minute of feet movement. Defense was impeccable.

Ricardo Lopez? The cleanest technical textbook fighter I've seen with incredible defense and offense and adjusted to absolutely anything.

I would place either of those two fighters right at or slightly above Whitaker and Marquez. Mind you I'm not talking accomplishments I'm talking skill set related to being a smart boxer and great tactician.

[IronDanHamza]

most of these guy have only quantity over pac than anything esp the real old school fighters who gets overrated a lot..chavez sr over pac ? arguello? lamotta? carlos ortiz? etc..i dont think the bwwaa will agree to this

A lot of them have quantity of course but I'd say a lot of them also have quality.

As for Chavez Sr over Pacquaio, I agree it's arguable. Like I said, that's just how personal view on who I would likely have over Pacquaio. That's simply off the top of my head.

Lamotta, I also agree is up for debate but I would lean on Lamotta.

Arguello, and definitely Carlos Ortiz I would have over Pacquaio.

[solo20]

top 10 figther I DONT THINK SO didnt vote on this Pac fan poll
more like top 30-50

[puga]

most of those guys he has never seen them fight but he's so sure of their
placement in his list.

its a ****ing sick joke.

yeah , thats the problem with having all this atg rankings..unless youre bert sugar who's prolly the closest one to having seen it all , i dont think one could justify his atg list..

[IronDanHamza]

another bull**** old school fighter dominated list.

have you seen joe gans fight?

have you seen maxie rosenbloom fight?

have you seen holman williams fight?

I've seen Joe Gans fight.

Sadly, not seen Rosenbloom or Williams fight other than the newly discovered 10 second clip of Williams.

Maybe one day.

im not even gonna ask about newspaper decision legend harry greb...

yet yall are so sure about these guys and act all high and mighty and think these guys who have no film footage are better than greats who have extensive video.

Not high and mighty, mate.

Like I said, just who I would likely and personally put over him.

A list of those are up for debate, no doubt.

cant stand people who mythologize old ass athletes into superhuman proportions just for the sake of preserving history

Nor can I.