Where does Manny rank all time?

[{Pito}]

I couldn't agree more. Pacquiao is a greater southpaw than Whitaker and Flowers...but Hagler? No. Pacquiao's achievements are phenomenol, head to head, I think he'd beat Whitaker at any weight. I know, I know, Pacs had problems with Marquez, but Whitaker liked to frustrate opponents and had almost 0 punch power, Marquez not only hits harder bt he is a far more aggressive counter puncher who NEVER fools around. Pacs work rate is enough to beat Sweat Pea, let alone power, speed, stamina, chin etc.

Question. Who would you say is the smarter tactician/ boxer, Whitaker or Marquez?

[Bermuda]

i'd have him somewhere in the top 20...

[IronDanHamza]

Ok so let's low ball and say he meant number 40 because he did say 40-50.

So name 39 other fighters in history that have better accomplishments than Manny.

39 who I personally would likely have infront of him? Off the top of my head;

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Henry Armstrong
Archie Moore
Carlos Monzon
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Ray Leoanrd
Alexis Arguello
Bob Fitzsimmons
Emile Griffith
Mickey Walker
Eder Jofre
Jose Napoles
Maxie Rosenbloom
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Mclarnin
Roberto Duran
Barney Ross
Joe Walcott
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Holman Williams
Charley Burley
Kid Gavilan
Sandy Saddler
Billy Conn
Carlos Oritz
Terry McGovern
**** Tiger
Harold Johnson
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jake Lamotta.

[Prince_Pugilist]

Question. Who would you say is the smarter tactician/ boxer, Whitaker or Marquez?

VERY good question, I'd say Marquez, Pea could sometimes be too busy trying to make his opponent look bad than actually winning the round, the DLH fight is a perfect example. Marquez is always on point, always thinking, he, Mayweather, Hopkins and the Steward version of Wlad are THE most intelligent in ring tacticians I have seen in my life.

[puga]

Question. Who would you say is the smarter tactician/ boxer, Whitaker or Marquez?

both ..the only problem is the more defensive fighters get viewed as the smarter fighter most of the time ..

the way i see it

sweetpea defense>>>>>marquez's

marquez's offense>>>>>sweetpea

it's all preference imo

[IronDanHamza]

I'd have Pacquiao ahead of Flowers on my list.

Flowers was a great fighter though.

Pacquaio's a top 3 Southpaw for me, minimum.

Only behind Whitaker and Hagler on my list.

[{Pito}]

VERY good question, I'd say Marquez, Pea could sometimes be too busy trying to make his opponent look bad than actually winning the round, the DLH fight is a perfect example. Marquez is always on point, always thinking, he, Mayweather, Hopkins and the Steward version of Wlad are THE most intelligent in ring tacticians I have seen in my life.

Have you ever seen George Benton?

Edit: how would you rate Ricardo Lopez as a tactician?

[The Tase]

-8 division champion - only man in history

-4 lineal titles - only man in history

-titles as a flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, welterweight - only man in history.

-Fighter of the decade by Ring Magazine and BWAA

-P4P #1 2008-2012

-P4P Top 10 2003-2012

-Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year 3x (only Ali and Joe Louis have more)

HOFers beaten:

Morales 2x
Barerra 2x
Marquez 2x
De La Hoya
Cotto
Hatton
Mosley


Pacquiao is legitimately top 20.

[I Love Jesus!]

definitely a stand out but there have been so many great fighters and his career is still going. if he beats maynever that would boost his ranking

[Spray_resistant]

Like anyone here actually knows enough about the sports history and has seen enough of these old timey fighters to even make a credible list they could defend.