Where does Manny rank all time?

[crold1]

You're talking about the flyweight belt that started with Canto?

Yes he was the best in his division but he never unified. So I guess you might call that loosely linear but I don't.

At 126 Manny beat MAB who beat Hamed who beat every major title holder.
At 130 Manny beat the 3 top fighters besides himself to create a lineage.
At 140 Manny beat Hatton who beat Tszyu the undisputed champion.

Those to me are clearer lineages but if you want to add a 4th go ahead it only adds to his great legacy.

Canto was regarded as the champ by Ring after Oguma. During his WBC reign, Betulio Gonzalez, whom he had defeated twice in title defenses after losing their first fight, won the WBA belt from Guty Espadas. That left the two reigning champs as Canto and Gonzalez.

That's Canto as champ. The lineage is cold (and still intact).

It's four. Period.

And Hamed's lineage traces to Pedroza via the win over Vazquez along with those other wins (and, technically, Vazquez wasn't WBA champ when Hamed beat him but politics suck).

[T.Horton]

Either top 20 or 30. His record and loses to nobody's in his early career affect his position.

does bernard hopkin's loss in his debut effect his ranking?

[crold1]

does bernard hopkin's loss in his debut effect his ranking?

The Torrecampo loss didn't really come on a punch; it's a hybrid low blow and (I missed this for years) head butt combo. Singsurat was a good fighter and he caught Manny in bad form trying to make a weight he had no business in anymore.

Ish happens.

Not everyone has a gilded start to their career.

[Barn]

most people?

you mean people like you who like to cling to the past and preserve history?

please. we are living in modern times.

No fighter can be taken seriously in rankings with no fight footage.

You can pretend all you want to know how great maxie rosenbloom, terry mcgovern, midget wolcast, and some other former great white hope, but people are not buying it.

at least people who believe in analytical honesty.

It's just the done thing, no need to get angry and start throwing the red karma about now son...

Since "skills" and how they look visually are almost 100% subjective, it's an ineffective way of ranking. You judge a cake on how it tastes not how it looks like it's going to taste.

As for your karma comment I will explain.

I picked those names out because they are clearly better than Hagler or Hearns. Your ******ity is shown when you say there is a pattern when I picked "Canzoneri, Walker, Ross and McLarnin" I don't know if you were try to imply I'm racist or what but it only makes you look completely foolish as I have also picked two black fighters.

Your ignorance is only matched by your close minded ******ation.

[Barn]

Manny will stand the test of time because he has an ATG resume. He doesn't have 1 win over a HOFer not 2, not 3, not 4, but potentially 6 HOFers. Plus linear titles in 3 divisions but all of that pales in comparison to the California state title.

Fact is the older guys fought hard but typically padded their resume with no names and while some guys might do that today it is far far from the same degree. Today it's padding if you have 20 no names on your resume back then fighters had 50, 60 maybe 70 journeymen on their resume some even the same guy 4-5 times.

You're obviously butthurt because only a very small number old timers have resumes better than Manny. Too bad for you but I'm off to do some RL work (yeh for me) I might be back later to shit on more weak old timer resumes.

What an embarrassing statement to make.

[B-Bomber]

I don't like all time rankings, it is hardly possible to know every boxer in history, or every good one even.

I surely would not rate him as high as 10th though.

[whirlwind]

You're talking about the flyweight belt that started with Canto?

Yes he was the best in his division but he never unified. So I guess you might call that loosely linear but I don't.
At 112 Manny beat Sasakul who beat Arbachakov, who won it from Kittikasem.
At 126 Manny beat MAB who beat Hamed who beat every major title holder.
At 130 Manny beat the 3 top fighters besides himself to create a lineage.
At 140 Manny beat Hatton who beat Tszyu the undisputed champion.

Those to me are clearer lineages but if you want to add a 4th go ahead it only adds to his great legacy.

Actually is 4 lineal titles.

[hugh grant]

Again in nearly 8 years of fighting top competion mostly. Only one man has pushed him close and escaped a beating, and that is JMM. And to think some dont think he deserves no1 p4p spot.

[Check_hooks]

His resume before the Oscar fight was already top 20

Then you add hes the only fighter in history to win 8 division world titles hes top 5

Then you add hes FOTD hes top 3

And he never ducked or dodged nobody in a era with the greatest training and nutrition and international competition and the highest paydays

If he retired today you could make a strong case that hes the GOAT but yall haters don't know **** about boxing

[lparm]

What an embarrassing statement to make.

Embarrassing?

What part idiot, the logging off bs to do RL work (shocker I have a life unlike some) or the true statement that almost all old timers have weaker resumes than Manny?