Do you HONESTLY consider Pacquiao and Mayweather "Greats"

[IronDanHamza]

Of course they are.

They might not compare to the likes of Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran and other Top 20 ATG's. And if that's what you consider 'True greats' then no they aren't 'True greats'.

But are they great fighters? Yes. Absolutely no question about it.

Both are amongst the Top 50 greatest fighters in the history of the sport. This is a sport with over 100 years of rich history. Its incredibely difficult and an incredible feat to be considered amongst them.

[The Surgeon]

Yes. Both guys are incredible talents and we are lucky to have watched them live. BOTH of em!

Neither guy is half as good as their derranged fan bases would have u believe but both hold their own historically for the most part

[The Surgeon]

Of course they are.

They might not compare to the likes of Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran and other Top 20 ATG's. And if that's what you consider 'True greats' then no they aren't 'True greats'.

But are they great fighters? Yes. Absolutely no question about it.

Both are amongst the Top 50 greatest fighters in the history of the sport. This is a sport with over 100 years of rich history. Its incredibely difficult and an incredible feat to be considered amongst them.

If id have seen this fine post id have just typed - ^^^^THIS^^^^

[Doctor_Tenma]

On what basis are they not true greats? I would hope you aren't going by anything other than what was the consensus when you said "Neither of them tried to achieve greatness", that's a ridiculous statement. Floyd has little to do with why Mosley's performance against Margarito was his last hurrah, or why Ortiz hasn't done anything since, but the fact of the matter is he fought them when he was suppose to. I'm not a hypocrite though, I'll tell you straight up that I don't think that highly of those wins, but to act as if though Floyd wasn't suppose to fight those guys when he did is completely false. I don't rate Pacquiao's victory over Oscar, but Manny was seen as the big underdog, he wasn't challenging himself? Or how I made a poll on here where almost everyone voted and Manny was a slight favorite over Cotto, Manny wasn't challenging himself there? I also picked Hatton to beat Pacquiao and quite a few others did too. Both have definitely tried to achive greatness, it's just that a lot of their wins continue to be downgraded.

[Grimgash]

Who exactly have they demonstrated these "unbelievable talents" against?

Over the hill Miguel Cotto? Well shot Shane Mosley? Average Margarito?

People in NSB are seriously ignorant of the past, when fighters FOUGHT, the best challenges, and racked up 100's of wins.

These chumps fight once or twice a year against AVERAGE opposition and you lot herald them as some of "the greatest talents ever"

Falling hook line and sinker for the kool=aid

You apparently haven't been watching boxing very long I take it. Floyd has some great fights against, opponents where he was the underdog... and demolished them. Pac has some great fights against greats too and win or lose he took the fight... You're going to bring up the passed 3 years or so and claim THAT is their resume? In terms of ability and skill yes they're ATGs. Theyre resumes of late are lacking but over the long run they both have good ones.

It's funny you have willie pep up there and in a lot of broadcasts floyd is compared to him constantly... yet Floyd is nowhere near an ATG... hmm...

[Bermuda]

yes of course..considering what pac and mayweather have accomplished in the sport they should of course be considered greats.

[JK1700]

Mayweather? Absolutley. There's no question about it. It annoys me how some people focus everything on what he can be like outside the ring and flat out ignore the fact that he's extremely skilled and has beaten the #1 guys in not one, not two, not three, but FIVE different weight classes. And not only that, he has beaten over 20 top level opponents along the way and only had one or two close battles during that entire span. I don't know what it is, maybe racism, maybe people are just joking, because you would have to be incredibly ignorant to think he's not great. He's better than great. He's the best I have seen.

On the other hand I think it's a valid argument with Pacquiao, due to his best wins mostly coming against ruined opponents and the fact that most people think that Juan Manuel Marquez beat him in at least 2 or their 3 fights. Pacquiao has had a great career, but I wouldn't call him a great boxer. I have to rank Marquez above Manny, and I could understand the logic in someone saying that Bernard Hopkins should be ranked above him as well. It depends how you define "great". Some people use the word a lot, and some people only use it rarely. However, even if you only want to attach it to the Top 10 or Top 20 boxers of all time, I think you should attach it to Floyd Mayweather. I have him up there.

[SplitSecond]

Manny Steward - "Ali was the only champion that I know of that fought anybody, everybody. It was nothing about styles. He fought guys who were terrible for him style wise, but Ali would just tell Angelo Dundee, “Let’s fight”—and he put him with a guy like Kenny Norton who was always going to be a problem because of the way Kenny kept his elbows, he blocked jabs and right hands and that’s all Ali basically had and then he fought him I think three times; Joe Frazier; he went to London to fight Brian London and Henry Cooper; and he went I think to Canada to fight (George) Chuvalo; he fought Karl Mildenberger to fight the German in Germany. He didn’t care whose style that he had to fight so in that way, Ali was the greatest because fought anybody, everybody, in their country, if it was a style that was bad for him he didn’t care, fight him in a rematch he’d do that, whatever. "

and that's why ali is great, doesn't stop alot of his opponents *cough*frazier*cough* from being overrated, thus him being overrated

[SplitSecond]

Lmao, Andre Ward has almost surpassed Lil Floyd already, and he's only been at the top level for a couple of years.

Mayweather spent his entire career ducking threats.

this basically says it all

[dibzvincent143]

yes they both are, they are the best of this era, and i'm sure they can compete also at any era.. i dont think they are inside top 10 though..