Do you HONESTLY consider Pacquiao and Mayweather "Greats"

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  • Earl-Hickey
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    #41
    Originally posted by maenyfresh
    This Ts is funny, btw u put Archie Moore twice on ur ATG list. I wonder what's some peoples requirement of a fighter in order to be an ATG. PAC and Floyd have earned that spot in my opinion, lotta people hating now, but even 5 years from now some of these boxing fans will be singing a diff tune.

    So nice I put him twice

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    • JOM'S
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      #42
      maybe not the GOAT but they already reached greatness and its is just crazy not think that both have achieved being called greats....

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      • SplitSecond
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        #43
        pacquiao definitely is

        funny you put ali there, not like ali fought that many "great" skilled heavyweights, most of those guys are overrated, just as ali is, although a great, fairly overrated

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        • THE DESTROYER
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          #44

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          • RockyB
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            #45
            I don't even think this is up for debate. They are both top 50 at least.

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            • UglyPug
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              #46
              Originally posted by DempseyRollin
              They are among the top 100 fighters to ever lace them up. In any other sport that makes them great. How could they not be great? Because they can't compare to the top 10 or 20?
              this. . .

              i'd say bot h are top 50.


              top 100 is usually how i define great, but i understand it's subjective, and depends on the context in which they are defined.

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              • damuttz112
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                #47
                Originally posted by Defututus
                pacquiao definitely is

                funny you put ali there, not like ali fought that many "great" skilled heavyweights, most of those guys are overrated, just as ali is, although a great, fairly overrated
                Manny Steward - "Ali was the only champion that I know of that fought anybody, everybody. It was nothing about styles. He fought guys who were terrible for him style wise, but Ali would just tell Angelo Dundee, “Let’s fight”—and he put him with a guy like Kenny Norton who was always going to be a problem because of the way Kenny kept his elbows, he blocked jabs and right hands and that’s all Ali basically had and then he fought him I think three times; Joe Frazier; he went to London to fight Brian London and Henry Cooper; and he went I think to Canada to fight (George) Chuvalo; he fought Karl Mildenberger to fight the German in Germany. He didn’t care whose style that he had to fight so in that way, Ali was the greatest because fought anybody, everybody, in their country, if it was a style that was bad for him he didn’t care, fight him in a rematch he’d do that, whatever. "

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                  Gallo, an International Boxing Hall of Fame inductee and winner of the prestigious James J. Walker Award from the Boxing Writers Association of America, was ready to take on the always difficult challenge of comparing Pacquiao with great prizefighters from other generations. “With every good – let’s make that, great – fighter there are always comparisons. It goes way back to Jack Dempsey: Was he as good or better than Joe Louis? Was Joe Louis better than Muhammad Ali or Rocky Marciano? Who really was the greatest? Was it Ali?”
                  “Some fight guys might say Ali, but most still won’t hand him that special title. The thing in boxing is that when the greats are compared, it always winds up in some kind of a fierce barroom argument.”
                  “So now we have a gym full of great lightweights – we’ll just stick with this division for now – to compare with Pacquiao. Take these: Is he as good or better than: Tony Canzoneri? My opinion – better. Barney Ross? Better. Roberto Duran? As good or even better. What about Henry Armstrong, who held three titles at the same time? Wasn’t he in the same class in throwing punches in multitudes? Didn’t Armstrong fight somewhat like Pacquiao?”
                  “My answer: No. They are different fighters. While Armstrong would bury his head into his opponent’s chest, firing lefts and rights to the body and head, Pacquiao is a thinking, deliberate puncher who rarely misses. I see Pac as the better fighter.”
                  Gallo then, in his column, asked himself the toughest question of all – if Pacquiao is the best boxer his eyes have ever seen?
                  “I’m going to wind this up by asking myself this question: Okay, Mr. Boxing Man, are you telling me this Philippine Dynamo is the best you have ever seen?
                  “Yes, in a very long time

                  BILL GALLO boxing historian...

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                  • SkillspayBills
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                    #49
                    No matte which "side" you are on, wor who you support any unbiase fan should know they are BOTH the top 2 fighters of their generation. They are BOTH All time great fighters whose accolades will last long past their time.

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                    • 7_rocket
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by SkillspayBills
                      No matte which "side" you are on, wor who you support any unbiase fan should know they are BOTH the top 2 fighters of their generation. They are BOTH All time great fighters whose accolades will last long past their time.
                      Sorry what? your Avatar was speaking to me

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