Are Mayweather and Cotto the Best That Eachother Have Faced?

[New England]

Exactly.

And that was blamed on the weight, and that "Marquez can't perform at WW or above 135"

I said the same thing until the Pac-Marquez 3 fight. It certainly looked that way, considering how bad Marqeuz looked against Mayweather.

But now, obviously, that can't be blamed on the weight any more. Because Marquez has proved and shown what he can do at WW.

pacquiao fights ww's at WW for the money (or lw's at WW in marquez case.)

that doesnt make him a WW. i think that manny could fight at 135 today if the money was right. 140 would certainly be more appropriate.


you obviously can dig that. manny eats like a horse to weigh 150. he's 5'6".
67 inch reach. started his career tiny and stayed there for a long time.


he's at WW for the cash.

[IronDanHamza]

against a guy who is not a WW


it's unfortunately a dismal WW era. i think we'd get a better idea of the futility of marquez at WW if there were big and strong (or just natural,) ww's out there with skills for him to fight

pacquiao is a great fighter, but not a great or competative WW

put him in there with benitez, leonard, hearns, napoles, he'd get killed.

Pacquaio is a WW. He makes the weight and he performs exceptionally there against other WW's.

He may not be a natural WW (Obviously) like most of the people you named but he's still a WW.

And Mayweather's not a natural WW either.

[IronDanHamza]

pacquiao fights ww's at WW for the money (or lw's at WW in marquez case.)

that doesnt make him a WW. i think that manny could fight at 135 today if the money was right. 140 would certainly be more appropriate.


you obviously can dig that. manny eats like a horse to weigh 150. he's 5'6".
67 inch reach. started his career tiny and stayed there for a long time.


he's at WW for the cash.

Possibly. Still doesn't change the fact he's a WW now.

And, surprisingly, Pacquaio has walked around above 150 Lbs before.

I don't think he has to eat as much as claimed to make 150.

[New England]

Marquez said himself that he felt sluggish against mayweather because he didn't pack on the weight properly.... He made sure to not make the same mistake by having a tune up at 140 and hiring a conditioning coach to help his transition from 140 to 144..

fighting floyd mayweather was the big difference between the two fights. his counterpunching. his size.

marquez looked better physically against pacquiao in the third fight than he did in the floyd fight. it would not have mattered.

[IronDanHamza]

Marquez said himself that he felt sluggish against mayweather because he didn't pack on the weight properly.... He made sure to not make the same mistake by having a tune up at 140 and hiring a conditioning coach to help his transition from 140 to 144..

I don't buy it.

He's a veteran of the sport. I don't buy that someone of his experience or Nacho's experience, ontop of moving up in weight a lot in his career was so clueless on building weight effectively.

He didn't look too different to me in the respective fights.

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But, that still doesn't change the fact that he was expected to get destroyed before the fight because Pacquaio had successfully moved up to WW and we were all under the impression Marquez couldn't. And, rightfully, Mayweather got no credit for fighting a guy that can't perform at WW.

But, he's shown he can. He's shown he can carry his speed, his pop, his timing an ability at the WW limit. Which is the point.

And I think Marquez would beat Berto at WW, most definitely.

Mayweather should get credit for the Marquez win, but I still think Marquez doesn't look as fast or good above 135.

[4Corners]

The fact is that when Mayweather-Marquez was made, we had no idea how Marquez could do at WW. He got dominated, therefore Mayweather didn't get much credit obviously. After seeing a two years older Marquez arguably beat Pacquiao at the same weight, he proved he can fight well at WW. Therefore, Floyd should at least get some credit for absolutely dominating him.

[4Corners]

I don't buy it.

He's a veteran of the sport. I don't buy that someone of his experience or Nacho's experience, ontop of moving up in weight a lot in his career was so clueless on building weight effectively.

He didn't look too different to me in the respective fights.

That's just the excuse that people will always use as to why Marquez arguably beat Pac and got whupped by Floyd at 144, it's bulls**t. If you put the JMM that fought Manny last November in with Floyd, the same exact thing would happen again.

It's sad that people say "Well JMM just knows how to beat Pac" as an excuse. I'd favor JMM at WW over Berto, Ortiz, and Alexander right now, if he hasn't slipped since the Pac fight even more.

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather should get credit for the Marquez win, but I still think Marquez doesn't look as fast or good above 135.

Of course not.

Of course he's better at 135 than he is at WW.

But, he's still exceptional at WW also.

[ADP02]

P4P sense, Corrales might actually be the hardest puncher Floyd has ever faced.

That version of Corrales was severely weight drained.