Are Mayweather and Cotto the Best That Eachother Have Faced?

[IronDanHamza]

Implying Pac and Floyd are the same fighter and that you can judge Marquez based on what he did against Pac vs. what he did against Floyd.

Ignoring the fact that Floyd is naturally bigger than both of them and that Marquez is almost 40 years old.


You sound like you pay really close attention to detail.

Hmm, how exactly am I implying they are the same fighter?

I am merely stating that before the third Pacquaio fight we were unaware of how capable Marquez was at WW. But, after that, it's become clear that he is absolutely capable at WW.

I'm making the judgement based on those 2 fights because they're his only 2 fights at that weight. Is that wrong? Am I not supposed to do that?

It's abundantly clear that weight was not an issue like I and everyone else thought. Marquez can make the WW limit and he can sure as hell perform there. He's proven that.

And, Mayweather is hardly that much bigger than Pacquaio.

And Marquez was 36 when he fought Mayweather.

[Bermuda]

After losing against PAC cotto said something like PAC was the best fighter he has fought..we'll see what he says after his fight with Floyd..

[Toney Loc]

Hmm, how exactly am I implying they are the same fighter?

I am merely stating that before the third Pacquaio fight we were unaware of how capable Marquez was at WW. But, after that, it's become clear that he is absolutely capable at WW.

I'm making the judgement based on those 2 fights because they're his only 2 fights at that weight. Is that wrong? Am I not supposed to do that?

It's abundantly clear that weight was not an issue like I and everyone else thought. Marquez can make the WW limit and he can sure as hell perform there. He's proven that.

And, Mayweather is hardly that much bigger than Pacquaio.

And Marquez was 36 when he fought Mayweather.

Still much older and much smaller.

He only looked better against Pac because they're both the same size.

Floyd is bigger than them both. That and him and JMM are both counterpunchers so the bigger faster guy will always win that battle.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He proved that he's capable at WW.

And I think he could beat almost anyone at WW. After all, he beat arguably the best WW in the World.

The fact that he had 2 close fights with Pacquaio at lower weight's doesn't change the fact he proved he can perform to an exceptional level at WW.

He just knows how to beat Pacquiao. I don't know how he'd fare against some true Welters like Berto or Ortiz. Even though I don't rate either of them, they'd physically dwarf JMM.

[New England]

Don't see why.

Marquez proved what he can do at WW.

against a guy who is not a WW


it's unfortunately a dismal WW era. i think we'd get a better idea of the futility of marquez at WW if there were big and strong (or just natural,) ww's out there with skills for him to fight

pacquiao is a great fighter, but not a great or competative WW

put him in there with benitez, leonard, hearns, napoles, he'd get killed.

[El Angel]

Mayweaher and Pacquiao are tied for the toughest opponent of Cotto's career IMO. If Cotto isn't the toughest, he's up there. The weight and circumstances of this bout could make it tougher.

[Bermuda]

It's abundantly clear that weight was not an issue like I and everyone else thought. Marquez can make the WW limit and he can sure as hell perform there. He's proven that.

Marquez said himself that he felt sluggish against mayweather because he didn't pack on the weight properly.... He made sure to not make the same mistake by having a tune up at 140 and hiring a conditioning coach to help his transition from 140 to 144..

[BoxingGenius27]

Cotto isn't the best Mayweather has faced. At this point in Cotto's career, he's not the same fighter he was in 08.

[IronDanHamza]

Still much older and much smaller.

He only looked better against Pac because they're both the same size.

Floyd is bigger than them both. That and him and JMM are both counterpunchers so the bigger faster guy will always win that battle.

Much older? Mayweather was 32 and Marquez was 36.

Marquez and Pacquaio are the same size and they are both capable WW's.

Mayweather and Marquez are both counterpunchers. And?

[IronDanHamza]

He just knows how to beat Pacquiao. I don't know how he'd fare against some true Welters like Berto or Ortiz. Even though I don't rate either of them, they'd physically dwarf JMM.

But, that still doesn't change the fact that he was expected to get destroyed before the fight because Pacquaio had successfully moved up to WW and we were all under the impression Marquez couldn't. And, rightfully, Mayweather got no credit for fighting a guy that can't perform at WW.

But, he's shown he can. He's shown he can carry his speed, his pop, his timing an ability at the WW limit. Which is the point.

And I think Marquez would beat Berto at WW, most definitely.