Are Mayweather and Cotto the Best That Eachother Have Faced?

[ADP02]

It makes no sense then if that's how you feel.

You can't give a guy zero credit for dominating someone at a weight, when that someone just arguably beat the so called" best fighter in the world" at the same weight, when that someone was over 2 years older as well.

To begin with, I wasn't going to give neither Manny nor Floyd credit for asking Marquez to come up to WW ... but at least once I saw Manny vs Marquez weighin and look at them side by side, I thought a bit differently. These two can fight 10 times and the fight would turn up the same way ... something like Ali vs Frazier ... even after the spankings Frazier got, he still gave Ali trouble.

Zero would be too high of a number for Floyd. He went beyond putting a number on that one.

It was a lose lose proposition for Floyd just like it was for Oscar when he fought Manny .... in these 2 cases, only the smaller guy can get any kind of credit.

What do you think people would have said if Oscar beat Manny? People would have said, you beat a small guy, now you want to get credit? Go look at some tapes of the Mayweathers (Sr and Roger) discussing Oscar vs Manny .... they didn't even call it a fight!

[New England]

You keep using examples like Leonard and Hearns as if Mayweather is the same size as them. He isn't.

Mayweather isn't a natural WW either. He's not big for the weight, at all.

I don't think it's fair to say "He proved he can fight at WW just not against Mayweather"

So, because Mayweather is better than most WW's it means he doesn't get credit? That's just ******, IMO.

And, just as much as you're saying he "proved" he didn't belong in the ring with a decent WW against Mayweather, I think the opposite for what he did with Pacquaio.

If Marquez can beat Pacquaio and perform like he did that night I believe he can beat many current WW's.

Could he beat natural ATG WW's? Of course not.

Neither could Pacquaio or Mayweather, IMO.

But could he beat Andre Berto? You bet I think he can beat Andre Berto, easily too.

agreed that floyd is not the size of hearns, or even leonard. i do think he's a true WW at this stage. perhaps for a great fight he could make 140 lbs, but i tend to seriously doubt it.

but marquez fought both he and pacquiao, and it's very clear that he and marquez are not the same size and that marquez and pacquiao are relatively simmilar in size.

that's pretty cut and dry in my opinion, and i know i'm not alone. marquez is too small for floyd mayweather and not for manny pacquiao.

pacquiao's not a WW. he's a WW in name only, for the money. he's really a big LW or jr WW. i brought in historic WW to demonstrate that.
maybe you disagree with that notion, which is fine.


i wanted to go to the rest of the division but it's just awful. it was an abstraction.



and i think andre berto would beat the hell out of marquez

skill wouldnt have anything to do with that one, either

[turbotime]

agreed that floyd is not the size of hearns, or even leonard. i do think he's a true WW at this stage. perhaps for a great fight he could make 140 lbs, but i tend to seriously doubt it.

but marquez fought both he and pacquiao, and it's very clear that he and marquez are not the same size and that marquez and pacquiao are relatively simmilar in size.

that's pretty cut and dry in my opinion, and i know i'm not alone. marquez is too small for floyd mayweather and not for manny pacquiao.

pacquiao's not a WW. he's a WW in name only, for the money. he's really a big LW or jr WW. i brought in historic WW to demonstrate that.
maybe you disagree with that notion, which is fine.


i wanted to go to the rest of the division but it's just awful. it was an abstraction.



and i think andre berto would beat the hell out of marquez

skill wouldnt have anything to do with that one, either

How can you say Floyd is a natural welter and Pac isn't when May only weighs 2 bs more than Pac on fight night? They are both small welterweights. Let's not split hairs here my man.

Floyd is 5'8 and Pac is 5'7, Floyd has the arm advantage but Pac has the stronger legs by FAR.

[Larry the boss]

no cotto is not the best floyd has faced

[-DSG-]

Cotto isn't "shot". Mosley, Castillo, Margarito, Jones, they are "shot"/"done".

Most of the cats on Boxingscene probably weren't watching boxing back when Floyd fought Corrales, to know how big that fight was going in, and that tons of people were saying Floyd was going to get killed by Corrales. Even though Floyd dominated Corrales, Diego wen't on to have more good wins on his career, most notably Freitas, Casamayor, and Castillo.

I'd say a past prime-still good Cotto is a one of the better fighters Floyd has faced, but I thought Corrales and Castillo were better when Floyd fought them. They were prime, Corrales was #5 P4P, and Castillo was coming off beating Stevie Johnston, was the lineal champ at 135 and is the best LW of his era. Those are Floyd's best fights going in.

i agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[4Corners]

To begin with, I wasn't going to give neither Manny nor Floyd credit for asking Marquez to come up to WW ... but at least once I saw Manny vs Marquez weighin and look at them side by side, I thought a bit differently. These two can fight 10 times and the fight would turn up the same way ... something like Ali vs Frazier ... even after the spankings Frazier got, he still gave Ali trouble.

Zero would be too high of a number for Floyd. He went beyond putting a number on that one.

It was a lose lose proposition for Floyd just like it was for Oscar when he fought Manny .... in these 2 cases, only the smaller guy can get any kind of credit.

What do you think people would have said if Oscar beat Manny? People would have said, you beat a small guy, now you want to get credit? Go look at some tapes of the Mayweathers (Sr and Roger) discussing Oscar vs Manny .... they didn't even call it a fight!

Horrible comparison. I don't give a f**k what anyone said going in, there was no way in hell Oscar had a chance to beat Manny at a weight he hadn't made in 8 years. That was a joke of a fight. Now, maybe if Oscar had came back a year or two later and beaten a top fighter at 145 lbs, I'd have to say "Well Oscar proved he can beat top fighters at 145 at his age, maybe Manny should get some credit for killing Oscar". But that never happened.

The fact is that JMM proved he can beat top fighters at WW, he beat Pac who is the top fighter at WW according to most all people. Floyd should get a little credit for shutting him out. And the notion that Marquez somehow trained harder for Manny and didn't give it his all for Floyd is just flat out ******.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Corrales>Cotto

[Prime 407]

Lol at ppl in this thread forgetting styles make fights, jmm is a counter puncher who was forced to come forward and attack a better counter puncher = him getting dominated, size was only a partial factor n more to do with height n reach more than anything. Jmm has fought PAC 3 times n has a good gameplan but not good enough to win.

[Prime 407]

I see Oscar as being the closest style to cotto that floyd has faced, being a southpaw fighting orthodox. Cotto got more in the tank but lacks the height n reach advantage of Oscar, what makes things interesting is cotto has stayed busy where as Oscar was a part time fighter who still gave floyd problems.

[American Dream]

Floyd..no
cotto..yes