Are Mayweather and Cotto the Best That Eachother Have Faced?

[Jack Napier]

Floyd is Cotto's best opponent
Cotto is far from Floyd's best opponent

[-Spinal-]

a legit fight for mayweather?
sure. the world wants it. i dont think manny has an iceberg's chance in hell, mostly because of the size. (and of course the style. counterpunching and a step to the side is like kryptonite to manny pacquiao)

if i had to put a number on it i'd say floyd should be favored at least 6 to 1. maybe ten. i'd still buy it. still a prizefight.

manny has proven to be better than all of the WW they have put in front of him. he's hurt these guys. taken their shots. dealt with the size. i cant see a more worthy opponent considering that marquez doesnt deserve a rematch with floyd, even though he beat manny last time out.


that being said:
i still dont think that makes him a WW, or more appropriately for our discussion; a proper guage for a fighter's ability to fight against a WW (in the marquez case.)

i think he's a damn good blown up jr WW or lw, fighting at 147 for that paper.

which is fine. we can agree to disagree. wont be the first. wont be the last.
still good buds.

and on the counterpunching part:

counterpunching with a guy who is that much bigger and longer than you are is next to impossible, especially for a LW on ancient legs

you have to either get inside or move in and out. you're too far away to counter when your opponent is throwing, especially his jab.

he throws and you're just too far away to counter. you've got to close the distance (going in and out works too,) which isn't what marquez is looking to do.

Aside from Clottey, which was a good opponent coming in IMO, the others were just great timing and I was not impressed at all. Cotto at 145, a shot De La Hoya, and an old Mosley who hadn't won a fight in 2 years. Just great matchmaking.

[SplitSecond]

Aside from Clottey, which was a good opponent coming in IMO, the others were just great timing and I was not impressed at all. Cotto at 145, a shot De La Hoya, and an old Mosley who hadn't won a fight in 2 years. Just great matchmaking.

so you thought he lost vs mora?

[New England]

Aside from Clottey, which was a good opponent coming in IMO, the others were just great timing and I was not impressed at all. Cotto at 145, a shot De La Hoya, and an old Mosley who hadn't won a fight in 2 years. Just great matchmaking.

you wont find me saying anything to the contrary in hindsight, in this thread or anywhere else. weight had nothign to do with the cotto fight. he'd beat him at HW.
in fact i think you'll find exactly the opposite, actually.
i'm arguing that manny isnt a real WW in this thread. marquez likewise, who has fought a better WW than manny ever has named floyd mayweather.)


coming in, outside of shane, they were all considered good opponents. shane lost to flippin mora on my card. shot to pieces.

cotto was not a huge dog, many writers and experts were picking him to win. not me

oscar was supposed to kill manny. i thought he would win as well.

and clottey, as you outlined, was a huge WW coming in off of a good showing against cotto, which many felt he won, even with a tweak to the knee via bodyslam.

[IronDanHamza]

a legit fight for mayweather?
sure. the world wants it. i dont think manny has an iceberg's chance in hell, mostly because of the size. (and of course the style. counterpunching and a step to the side is like kryptonite to manny pacquiao)

if i had to put a number on it i'd say floyd should be favored at least 6 to 1. maybe ten. i'd still buy it. still a prizefight.

manny has proven to be better than all of the WW they have put in front of him. he's hurt these guys. taken their shots. dealt with the size. i cant see a more worthy opponent considering that marquez doesnt deserve a rematch with floyd, even though he beat manny last time out.


that being said:
i still dont think that makes him a WW, or more appropriately for our discussion; a proper guage for a fighter's ability to fight against a WW (in the marquez case.)

i think he's a damn good blown up jr WW or lw, fighting at 147 for that paper.

which is fine. we can agree to disagree. wont be the first. wont be the last.
still good buds.

and on the counterpunching part:

counterpunching with a guy who is that much bigger and longer than you are is next to impossible, especially for a LW on ancient legs

you have to either get inside or move in and out. you're too far away to counter when your opponent is throwing, especially his jab.

he throws and you're just too far away to counter. you've got to close the distance (going in and out works too,) which isn't what marquez is looking to do.

No doubt, Brother.

I guess we agree to disagree here. We look at things differently in this case.

[New England]

Yes we give credit for FLoyd for beating the bloated never fought at 140, let alone 147 JMM. But then we give credit for JMM for making life hard for Pac.......floyd dont get credit for not getting in the ring with Pac, and trying to steal credit off of other boxers back, ie off of JMMs back.

Just cos JMM was competive with Pac, dont mean Floyd would do as well as JMM.

lol you can believe whatever the hell you'd like but that sounds bogus to me


you want to know why you think manny will beat floyd?
you're a fan of his.

i try and be as objective as i can about fights. i try and get my information from reputable and objective sources in the media. everybody has biases. i've certainly got mine

floyd and manny are not among them.

everybody (myself included,) is picking floyd to trash manny pacquiao. it's the logical outcome.


i cant wait for that fight. the odds will be close to even, and they shouldn't be anywhere close to that. manny will have very little chance, and that will be apparent very quickly

[ADP02]

]Mayweather isn't a full WW I don't think. [/B]Not by today's standards. He walks around at no more than 154 and has never come to the ring higher than 150 officially.

Pacquaio is bigger now. He's gain muscle mass since he was at LW, I can't see how that's not apparent. He may not be a full WW but he is a WW.

And that's not even what's important. What's important is that Marqeuz proved what he can do at the weight, he proved he's sharp, strong, fast and more importantly effective with the added weight, against a Top WW.

The fact they have fought 2 times before is irrelevant.

And I simply disagree, Marquez would dominate Berto.

Floyd is a bigger WW than Manny ..... that will give him an advantage, I would think ....

Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time Floyd came in at 143 or less? (7 years ago)
When was the last time Manny came in at 143 or less? (his last fight)

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd is a bigger WW than Manny ..... that will give him an advantage, I would think ....

Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time Floyd came in at 143 or less? (7 years ago)
When was the last time Manny came in at 143 or less? (his last fight)

No, I don't think Pacquaio is bigger than Mayweather. I just think he's bigger now, than he was.

And I know Pacquaio is smaller than Mayweather I just don't think it's by that much.

[-Spinal-]

so you thought he lost vs mora?

Shane Mosley hadn't won a fight in 2 years at the time he fought Pacquiao.

That's a fact.

[SplitSecond]

Shane Mosley hadn't won a fight in 2 years at the time he fought Pacquiao.

That's a fact.

and mosley hadn't won a fight in a year before he fought mayweather