Are Mayweather and Cotto the Best That Eachother Have Faced?

[Burning Phoenix]

Mayweather.... no...

Cotto on the other hands depends on who you're asking... A ***** or a *******. If neither then that points to an interesting discussion.

wtf? f.lomo and p.actard are banned words?

[ADP02]

That's just the excuse that people will always use as to why Marquez arguably beat Pac and got whupped by Floyd at 144, it's bulls**t. If you put the JMM that fought Manny last November in with Floyd, the same exact thing would happen again.

It's sad that people say "Well JMM just knows how to beat Pac" as an excuse. I'd favor JMM at WW over Berto, Ortiz, and Alexander right now, if he hasn't slipped since the Pac fight even more.

Yep, the exact thing would have happened as the first time ..... Floyd would have asked Marquez to fight at the full WW limit of 147 instead of a comprise weight of 144lbs.

A different Marquez showed up for Manny ... much more fit plus Marquez will always give Manny fits.

[4Corners]

Yep, the exact thing would have happened as the first time ..... Floyd would have asked Marquez to fight at the full WW limit of 147 instead of a comprise weight of 144lbs.

A different Marquez showed up for Manny ... much more fit plus Marquez will always give Manny fits.

Yup. Marquez didn't train right for Floyd, he wasn't taking the biggest fight of his life seriously. Get the f**k outta here. Marquez proved he can fight at WW and be a good fighter, proved it by arguably beating Manny. Floyd should get his due for absolutely dominating JMM at WW, when Pac arguably lost to him again.

[jaestix1]

so people are actually making lame ass excuses for why pac got his ass whooped?

[ADP02]

The fact is that when Mayweather-Marquez was made, we had no idea how Marquez could do at WW. He got dominated, therefore Mayweather didn't get much credit obviously. After seeing a two years older Marquez arguably beat Pacquiao at the same weight, he proved he can fight well at WW. Therefore, Floyd should at least get some credit for absolutely dominating him.

Nope ... I still put Floyd picking on Marquez to come to WW in the disgraceful category ... not worthy of any credit. While I wasn't for it for Manny either but at least they came in 1lb difference, had history with 2 close fights and Marquez was able to guage better what he had to do to get to 142lbs being fit.

Oh, plus when Floyd fought Marquez, Marquez barely got his feet wet at 135 then you asking him to fight at WW?

[New England]

Possibly. Still doesn't change the fact he's a WW now.

And, surprisingly, Pacquaio has walked around above 150 Lbs before.

I don't think he has to eat as much as claimed to make 150.

not only is he campaigning at the weight he's one of the best out there today. agreed.

i'm not sure if i'm explaining my stance correctly.

but he doesnt have insurmountable physical advantages at WW when matched with marquez. some ww do // will.

mayweather proved that. he did have insurmountable physical advantages against marquez. skills had nothing to do with that win. i think floyd is a better boxer and counterpuncher and that he outboxed him, but that's not what won him the fight. of course he's going to outbox a guy who cant hurt him or get close enough to even hit him.

marquez punches were like mosquito bites.
they did not belong in the same ring.

tommy hearns would obliterate marquez. likewise, skills would have nothing to do with it. he's just too big.

hanging with manny pacquiao doesnt prove you to be a WW or to be able to hang with ww. wherever he campaigns, manny is still a much smaller man, not boiling down to 147 at a weigh in but rather blowing up to weigh even less.

[4Corners]

Nope ... I still put Floyd picking on Marquez to come to WW in the disgraceful category ... not worthy of any credit. While I wasn't for it for Manny either but at least they came in 1lb difference, had history with 2 close fights and Marquez was able to guage better what he had to do to get to 142lbs being fit.

Oh, plus when Floyd fought Marquez, Marquez barely got his feet wet at 135 then you asking him to fight at WW?

Okay. So an even older Marquez arguably beat Manny Pacquiao at WW, Floyd dominates Marquez at WW over 2 years earlier, but in the end he gets NO CREDIT. Okay.

[CHOWWOKKA]

Cotto yes, Floyd no

[CHOWWOKKA]

Okay. So an even older Marquez arguably beat Manny Pacquiao at WW, Floyd dominates Marquez at WW over 2 years earlier, but in the end he gets NO CREDIT. Okay.

Don't you get it? Each extra lb is at least 6 rounds of ass whooping advantage...

[New England]

Yup. Marquez didn't train right for Floyd, he wasn't taking the biggest fight of his life seriously. Get the f**k outta here. Marquez proved he can fight at WW and be a good fighter, proved it by arguably beating Manny. Floyd should get his due for absolutely dominating JMM at WW, when Pac arguably lost to him again.

he proved he can fight at WW provided it's not against floyd mayweather

and i dont want to sound bitter here, but he proved he doesnt belong in there with any decent WW when he fought floyd.


just imagine what ray leonard would do to marquez. he'd stop him.


no credit for floyd for fighting a blown up LW at WW. you guys might have to watch the fight again to be honest. i know its a **** fight, but sometimes we're tasked in life. he has no business being in the ring with floyd.