So Pacman beats Martinez at 154, how??

[BoxingGenius27]

You still don't get it. Pac has been taking risks ever since he moved up to WW. All his fights in that division were all against bigger and/or heavier guys.

Btw, Pac and Floyd are not the same size. They might have weighed the same at a certain age, but that was when they were both still maturing. They definitely are not anymore.

I get it. I think you don't get what we're saying though. Pac isn't the only one in the history of boxing to have to fight guys with those types of size advantages. I named 3 fighters that did the same thing.

Now all of a sudden Pac isn't the same size as Mayweather?

Do you not recall all of the pics comparing the two fighters from the time they were 16-30?

Do you not recall the countless threads where you and your brederan claimed Pac to be the same size as Mayweather in an attempt to explain the sudden weight gain?

All we're saying is granted Pac might not win because of the disadvantage, but that's the risk all great fighters took one time or another. Everyone..... Hell, if he did actually fight Sergio at 154, I'll be rooting for him. There's just no reason to get upset at people who ask the former junior middleweight champ to fight another junior middleweight champ.

Unless you agree that his 8th title isn't a valid one?

Mayweather should be held to the same standards.

[tatangb45]

And? So that means he can't fight anymore?

Like I said, Pacquaio doesn't need Martinez. He's already an ATG. I don't blame him nor will I hold it against him if he doesn't fight him.

But, it's a fight, a winnable fight for Pac. And, one that will enhance him from being around a Top 40 ATG to around a Top 25 ATG.

Would I like to see that? Hell yeah I would. Why not?

Why don't you want to see it? Why are you so against it? I don't understand.

What I'm saying is that Pac has done enough. There comes a time when one has to say enough is enough. Pac himself admits that he has reached his limit at 147. And his limit has gone beyond what anyone has achieved in the history of boxing. Staying at WW is his prerogative and staying there will not diminish his legacy.

One has to question the real motives of people who still want or even demand that Pac should go even higher. It becomes more su****ious when you consider that most of these are coming from fans of Pac's main rival.

[straightleft]

What I'm saying is that Pac has done enough. There comes a time when one has to say enough is enough. Pac himself admits that he has reached his limit at 147. And his limit has gone beyond what anyone has achieved in the history of boxing. Staying at WW is his prerogative and staying there will not diminish his legacy.

One has to question the real motives of people who still want or even demand that Pac should go even higher. It becomes more su****ious when you consider that most of these are coming from fans of Pac's main rival.

Obviously they are Floyd lovers wanted to see Pac get beat by Floyd. Too bad, their idol is on automatically preservation mode when it comes to Pacquiao.

[tatangb45]

I get it. I think you don't get what we're saying though. Pac isn't the only one in the history of boxing to have to fight guys with those types of size advantages. I named 3 fighters that did the same thing.

Now all of a sudden Pac isn't the same size as Mayweather?

Do you not recall all of the pics comparing the two fighters from the time they were 16-30?

Do you not recall the countless threads where you and your brederan claimed Pac to be the same size as Mayweather in an attempt to explain the sudden weight gain?

All we're saying is granted Pac might not win because of the disadvantage, but that's the risk all great fighters took one time or another. Everyone..... Hell, if he did actually fight Sergio at 154, I'll be rooting for him. There's just no reason to get upset at people who ask the former junior middleweight champ to fight another junior middleweight champ.

Unless you agree that his 8th title isn't a valid one?

Mayweather should be held to the same standards.

During the ped issue people were comparing the weight gain, not the size. Those are two different things. If you insist that Pac and Floyd are the same size you definitely have some issues.

Those three fighters you mentioned have not equaled what Pac has done, period.

[treason1]

martinez got knocked down by maclin who isnt even known to be a power puncher !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just imajine what will happen when he tastes mannys power !!!! the truth of the matter is macklin was having succsess against tyhe bike rider until he gassed out !!!! manny doesnt gass out at all his stamina is one of his greatest attributes !!!! the bmx rider better be glad he is a compleyte diffresnt weight class or manny would finish him off and another thing people forge is manny has a better trainer !!!!

[BoxingGenius27]

During the ped issue people were comparing the weight gain, not the size. Those are two different things. If you insist that Pac and Floyd are the same size you definitely have some issues.

Those three fighters you mentioned have not equaled what Pac has done, period.

Hey, you guys said Pac was the same size as May not me. If it came back to bite you in the booty, don't get mad at me.

Anyway, Ok, I'll just talk about Duran (5'7):

Didn't Duran start his career at 119 which is a pound over bantamweight. The heaviest he weighed for a fight was 176 lbs. in 1999, at 48 years old.

Wasn't Duran's record 72-1 up until the second sugar ray leonard fight?

He held the lightweight title for about 7 years with 12 successful defenses on his way to heavier weights. He fought Sugar Ray Leonard, marvin hagler, Thomas Hearns (6'1), Davey Moore, Wilfredo Benitez, Iran barkley (6'1 at JMW) and william joppy at middleweight. What did these fighters have in common? they were all YOUNGER than duran. He is a smaller guy fighting younger fighters in heavier weight classes. He may have lost to the top three (hagler, leonard, hearns) but HE was the smaller and older guy fighting those in their prime legends.

That said, you still want to tell me "No one has equaled what Pac has done?".

[tatangb45]

Hey, you guys said Pac was the same size as May not me. If it came back to bite you in the booty, don't get mad at me.

Anyway, Ok, I'll just talk about Duran (5'7):

Didn't Duran start his career at 119 which is a pound over bantamweight. The heaviest he weighed for a fight was 176 lbs. in 1999, at 48 years old.

Wasn't Duran's record 72-1 up until the second sugar ray leonard fight?

He held the lightweight title for about 7 years with 12 successful defenses on his way to heavier weights. He fought Sugar Ray Leonard, marvin hagler, Thomas Hearns (6'1), Davey Moore, Wilfredo Benitez, Iran barkley (6'1 at JMW) and william joppy at middleweight. What did these fighters have in common? they were all YOUNGER than duran. He is a smaller guy fighting younger fighters in heavier weight classes. He may have lost to the top three (hagler, leonard, hearns) but HE was the smaller and older guy fighting those in their prime legends.

That said, you still want to tell me "No one has equaled what Pac has done?".

When Duran went up to the higher divisions, he was making the weight. Pac can't make 154. He barely makes the limit at WW. That is the reason why even at WW he has been fighting bigger guys.

[BoxingGenius27]

During the ped issue people were comparing the weight gain, not the size. Those are two different things. .

If we're not talking about weight right now, what are we talking about?

[BoxingGenius27]

When Duran went up to the higher divisions, he was making the weight. Pac can't make 154. He barely makes the limit at WW. That is the reason why even at WW he has been fighting bigger guys.

Actually Duran (5'7) fought Barkley (6'1) at Middleweight, while weighing 156 lbs. Isn't the limit for Middleweight 160?

Do you consider that "making" weight?

[tatangb45]

[QUOTE=BoxingGenius27;11909433]

During the ped issue people were comparing the weight gain, not the size. Those are two different things. [\QUOTE]

If we're not talking about weight right now, what are we talking about?

You seem to be getting confused again.