So Pacman beats Martinez at 154, how??

[IronDanHamza]

Why do guys like you have to be overly dramatic and throw things completely out of whack. I know you're joking and all, but the comparison's are silly.

That's what I mean.

People say they would like or want to see Pacquaio fight Martinez who can make the weight 1 weight class above where Pacquaio campaigns and it get's compared to a guy who just fought at Heavyweight

I genuinely don't get why it's such a crime to want to see this.

Just because it's a risk and Pacquaio will be at a pretty vast disadvantage? Oh, the nerve of wanting that!

[SplitSecond]

Don't blame you. I mean, who comes on a Boxing Forum to read?

You know Billy Conn weighed as low as 135 Lbs in his career, right?

Conn could have stayed at LHW, where he was at the time of his career but instead he thought he'd go and pursue the Heavyweight division to fight the HW Champion of the world and possibly the best HW ever.

Didn't have to.

He chose to be outweighed by 16 Lbs (officially, people say it was more) by Joe Louis and try and enhance his legacy despite the glaring risk involved and vast disadvantage.

But of course these day's the fans wouldn't want that to happen because it's not fair and unrealistic. Why should fighters take risks and fight bigger fighters? How dare people even entertain the idea of that.

Oh, right. So Pacquaio fighting Martinez at 154 would be unprecedented would it?

And even then, he still can win and enhance his legacy that much more by taking it.

But of course only an idiot would want to see that.

stop calling yourself an idiot, you take my opinions to seriously and then beat yourself up and i just can't stand to see you do this to yourself

and why do you avoid my fluid talk? or the differences in making same day weigh in and day before? etc, am i lieing?

[Bushbaby]

However some seem to honestly believe that Pacman will launch in & out landing big bombs. When I point out that is highly unlikely considering that Pacman's last 2 fights saw other fighters, (1 shot the other a lightweight), move away from Pacman & cut his offense in half.

They then resort to saying Martinez never fought anyone as good as Pacman. I guess they took weight & relative threat completely out of the equation being that the Punisher made it very clear that he wanted Pacman who would even mention his name & Martinez's last 4 opponents beat the $h1t outa Pacman.

[SplitSecond]

I agree, I mean Harold Johnson has such a soft body compared to the fighters of today.

cong****, exceptions

[IronDanHamza]

stop calling yourself an idiot, you take my opinions to seriously and then beat yourself up and i just can't stand to see you do this to yourself

and why do you avoid my fluid talk? or the differences in making same day weigh in and day before? etc, am i lieing?

Are you a Child? I get the sense you're a child.

The guy who refuses to read responses on a Message Board is telling others they are avoiding his posts

The bottom line is Conn, and a long list of others have been outweighed by just as much as Pacquaio will when he comes to the ring against Martinez, hypothetically.

Plenty have taken bigger or as big risks as that and in result enhance their legacy if they win.

If you think it's such a crime to want, not demand, but simply want Pacquaio to do that then that's fine.

[Roman Moreno]

You're really going to suggest huge size disparities haven't happened in the sport?

The day's where Billy Conn, a Middleweight, was outweighed by around 20 Lbs, some say more by fighting argubaly the best Heavyweight in the history of the sport.

Could he have stayed at Light Heavyweight? He sure could.

But he thought he'd move up to an "Impossible" weight disadvantage and face a huge risk, yet winnable fight.


Would people have shunned Conn or accused him of ducking for staying at LHW? Of course not, why would they? It was a tough ask but he wanted to prove his greatness and attempt to enhance his already ATG Legacy.

He came up short but it gave it one hell of a go and was incredibley close to an overwhelming victory which would have enhanced his legacy.

I shudder to think the idea of the fans crying and branding people with insults for wanting Conn to enhance his legacy that much more because it's "unrealistic" and "not fair" because the size difference.

Again, though, that's just the difference between fans back then and the over-protective, whining *****es of fans we have today.

I mean, Charley Burley weighing in at 150 Lbs was outweighed 70 Lbs by J.D Turner for crying out loud.

They're are endless times in history were size disparites are huge.

Has the much smaller fighter lost a lot of those times? Sure, of course they have.

But there has been occasions where the smaller fighter has done the "impossible" and got the victory. These are the kind of risks that fighters take that make them great.

Pacquaio's not ducking Sergio Martinez in my opinion. But the fact that you are so reluctant for Pacquaio to fight Martinez at 154 because he's at a disadvantage despite the fact that it's a win that would elevate him to a whole new level of greatness is beyond me.

And the funniest part about it is it's a winnable fight for Pacquaio.

It's a fight where he could come to the ring at 148 and beat Martinez. That's how great I consider him to potentially be.

Even if he were to try it and lose, which of course is also possible considering he's at a disadvantage, it wouldn't even matter. The fact he's willing to take that kind of risk to enhance his legacy speaks for itself.

But you're so reluctant for him to lose for some reason you call anyone who merely want, not even demand, but just want him to take that risk an idiot.

Those idiots, who want boxers to take big risks that will enhance their legacy. How dare they? How are they want a fighter to take that risk meaning they're at a disadvantage? That's not fair.

Well damn, I'm convinced make it happen. Good post.

[IronDanHamza]

However some seem to honestly believe that Pacman will launch in & out landing big bombs. When I point out that is highly unlikely considering that Pacman's last 2 fights saw other fighters, (1 shot the other a lightweight), move away from Pacman & cut his offense in half.

They then resort to saying Martinez never fought anyone as good as Pacman. I guess they took weight & relative threat completely out of the equation being that the Punisher made it very clear that he wanted Pacman who would even mention his name & Martinez's last 4 opponents beat the $h1t outa Pacman.

Pacquaio fighting Paul Williams is unrealistic, he's at a disadvantage.

Only an idiot would want to see that fight.

Pacquaio being at a big disadvantage is not allowed.

Actually, forget that, if the fighter is shot it's ok but if they aren't then you're an idiot. Of course.

[IronDanHamza]

cong****, exceptions

Good point.

Harold Johnson was the only person in shape in his era, obviously.

[Bushbaby]

Pacquaio fighting Paul Williams is unrealistic, he's at a disadvantage.

Only an idiot would want to see that fight.

Pacquaio being at a big disadvantage is not allowed.

Actually, forget that, if the fighter is shot it's ok but if they aren't then you're an idiot. Of course.

Indeed my good man.

[SplitSecond]

Are you a Child? I get the sense you're a child.

The guy who refuses to read responses on a Message Board is telling others they are avoiding his posts

The bottom line is Conn, and a long list of others have been outweighed by just as much as Pacquaio will when he comes to the ring against Martinez, hypothetically.

Plenty have taken bigger or as big risks as that and in result enhance their legacy if they win.

If you think it's such a crime to want, not demand, but simply want Pacquaio to do that then that's fine.

conn is 6'1, he should damn well be able to run make any class in shape somewhat to hearns degree
cooper for example was also 6'1, fighters today after the weigh in will put on 15lbs of fluids

so that huge weigh disparity is mainly fluids, while maybe 4-5 is actually muscle in a same day weigh in

so pacquiao vs martinez is alot more than that