So Pacman beats Martinez at 154, how??

[SplitSecond]

Does Pacman have cat-like reflexes?? He gets hit more than Martinez does. But yes we shall both agree Pacman gets whipped. Pacman has tons of power when you stand in front of him, his punch output is sliced in half with any kind of movement. Whether it be from a shot Sugar Shane or an elite (although tiny) Marquez.

are you this ****** or just trolling? pacquiao and marquez are basically the same size, one has the power and speed to make the big boys there to be hit respect him, the other doesn't

[Bombs]

Umm.. by overwhelming him with speedy monstrous shots??!? Pacquiao throws BOMBS and at his speed rate they are literally deadly. I remember mosley saying he feared for his life at one point in the fight and cotto said something similar. Martinez would get chopped down.

[Kilrain]

When was the last time Pacman tracked down & cut off the ring against a mobile & fast opponent?

Now add the usable size, speed & power that Martinez has.

Does Pacman have cat-like reflexes?? He gets hit more than Martinez does. But yes we shall both agree Pacman gets whipped. Pacman has tons of power when you stand in front of him, his punch output is sliced in half with any kind of movement. Whether it be from a shot Sugar Shane or an elite (although tiny) Marquez.

"Tiny". Haha, Marquez was actually bigger than Manny (weighed in heavier and was heavier during fight time). I love how you guys twist the facts to suit your own agendas.

Pacquiao gets hit too, of course he does. I wasn't dis*****g this. I was just presenting a case for Manny, talking about the feasibility of a Manny victory. You asked an open-ended question: how could Manny win? I put in my two cents.

As for the "2 lbs doesn't matter". Of course it matters, but it isn't the huge issue Manny haters make it out to be. It's two lbs. You guys act like Cotto was a walking punchbag who was completely dead at the weight. He clearly wasn't. He competed on even terms with Manny for 5 rounds and lost a firefight. He almost lasted the distance and threw punches every round. It's not like he was hanging on for dear life, running around the ring with his hands by his sides (because he was so tired i.e. weight drained to hold his guard up, which is a usual sign of a weight drained fighter). He fought admirably and was in great shape. He had a long training camp and at the end of the day, 2 lbs isn't a huge amount. You seem to forget he had 24 hours to rehydrate.

I boxed myself for many years, and regardless of your opinion, I know 2 lbs isn't a huge amount. I know all about making weight, and I know that after a 6 or 8 week training camp, 2 extra lbs lost along the way - particularly given that you are a millionaire pro boxer with all kinds of conditioning gurus in your team - is not going to turn you into a cowering, mummified bum that many seem to believe Cotto was the night Pacquiao took him apart.

[Bushbaby]

Martinez would beat Pacquiao but that hardly matters. Pound for pound he is an inferior fighter to Pacquiao he simply has enough skills to make use of his size advantage.

I've been saying the same thing for some time now but Martinez is held to a lower standard than other elites. I'd like to see Pacquiao and Mayweather fight Martinez because it is a challenge for them, greats should take on challenges and I would give them credit for beating Martinez.

That being said I have lost respect for Martinez, at the end of the day he is trying to sign a fight with fighters 2 divisions beneath him. If he wants a challenge he should move up a weight class and fight Ward or Bute. Well I haven't lost respect for him, I just acknowledge the fact that he is no different to all the other fighters out there, high risk low reward.

Don't get me wrong, I'm done sticking up for Martinez myself. There are more than a few 160lbers that want to fight him while he has his heart set on Chavez & 154 & meeting the concensious #1 & #2 fighters pfp there. Which in fact is not two divisions apart only 1.

But there were some saying Pacman beats Martinez at 154. I find that bloody hillarious considering that he won't fight Cotto anywhere near him being healthy.

[Bushbaby]

"Tiny". Haha, Marquez was actually bigger than Manny (weighed in heavier and was heavier during fight time). I love how you guys twist the facts to suit your own agendas.

Pacquiao gets hit too, of course he does. I wasn't dis*****g this. I was just presenting a case for Manny, talking about the feasibility of a Manny victory. You asked an open-ended question: how could Manny win? I put in my two cents.

As for the "2 lbs doesn't matter". Of course it matters, but it isn't the huge issue Manny haters make it out to be. It's two lbs. You guys act like Cotto was a walking punchbag who was completely dead at the weight. He clearly wasn't. He competed on even terms with Manny for 5 rounds and lost a firefight. He almost lasted the distance and threw punches every round. It's not like he was hanging on for dear life, running around the ring with his hands by his sides (because he was so tired i.e. weight drained to hold his guard up, which is a usual sign of a weight drained fighter). He fought admirably and was in great shape. He had a long training camp and at the end of the day, 2 lbs isn't a huge amount. You seem to forget he had 24 hours to rehydrate.

I boxed myself for many years, and regardless of your opinion, I know 2 lbs isn't a huge amount. I know all about making weight, and I know that after a 6 or 8 week training camp, 2 extra lbs lost along the way - particularly given that you are a millionaire pro boxer with all kinds of conditioning gurus in your team - is not going to turn you into a cowering, mummified bum that many seem to believe Cotto was the night Pacquiao took him apart.

Well in fact you aren't the only man here to have laced up a pair bro. However by your logic if 2 lb's meant nothing, then why did the fight need to be at 145 to begin with?? Further more take those same 2 lb's & let Cotto weight 150 in 2012 when Pacman chose him but no higher than 148, (since 2lb's means nothing & all).

[Pacdbest]

It's for My own satisfaction!!! I predicted that Pac will fight Floyd in 2007! I said it could happen in 2 years! This fight should've happened in 2009 0r early 2010! It's already 2012 and Floyd's still ducking! When will my prediction be fulfilled!! Cmon Floyd!!! Dont duck my predictions!


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Props to Floyd, he's learning now how to finish a fight.

I pick Floyd to win the fight coz Hatton's arms is only 20" & only 5'6" short. Pac's 5'6 1/2" & 25" long from Armpit to fist. Pac is a Different animal than Hatton, He's faster, Punch straighter, Better head movement, quick footed. Watch Pac in any fight, he's not that hittable with the left hook. The opponent has to deal with Pac's Jab in order to be hit by a Left hook.
You haven't seen the welter Pac yet. You've only seen the 130 Pac with the Power of a middleweight.

Pac will be busy with JMM, Diaz & maybe DLH. PBF will take a Break, He'll not fight Cotto or any of the Bigger welter. hatton will Probably will be back at 140 fighting Witter or Torres. Pac might fight Hatton in England after DLH.
PBF will come out of retirement to fight Pac after all thoose Big fights.

Ok Flowmos!!! Duck me!!! read this again!

[BoxingGenius27]

Well in fact you aren't the only man here to have laced up a pair bro. However by your logic if 2 lb's meant nothing, then why did the fight need to be at 145 to begin with?? Further more take those same 2 lb's & let Cotto weight 150 in 2012 when Pacman chose him but no higher than 148, (since 2lb's means nothing & all).

Ok, I see you Bushbaby

I see the work.

[kiaba360]

I just said this in another post.

I think Floyd beats him easier and more convincingly than Pacquiao does at 154.

But Martinez seemed to freeze up the few times Macklin got of first. He also keeps his hands to low for Pacquiaos speed. What i can't ignore is the fact that Macklin made Martinez miss a lot more than i expected. And i just think if Macklin can, so can Pacquiao. And if Pacquiao could move in and out super fast he might pull it of.

Pacquiao would win a CLOSE decision. 115-113 something maybe even a SD. But i honestly think he could do it. (not at all sure though)

Pacquiao above 147 would probably not be as fast, and he doesn't have the reach to bother Martinez. Martinez is not a supremely accurate fighter, so it didn't surprise me that Macklin made him miss. Macklin was fighting intelligently, and therefore Sergio couldn't time him consistently. What happened when Macklin got reckless and out of the game-plan? Sergio was timing him over and over. Martinez would most likely stop Pac at 154.

[IronDanHamza]

There it is.

Man just say there's no way Pacquiao wins over him at any point of his lifetime/prime. It's ok really. No need for this thread.

Me thinks you'll shoot down any opinion and say you can't take them seriously unless it fits your agenda.

To be honest, I get the same feeling.

What really was the point of the thread?

You're asking "How can Pacquaio win" thenpeople present solid arguments as to why it's at least winnable to some extent.

Then you just keep repeating "I think it's so funny people think Pac can beat Martinez"

[IronDanHamza]

only idiots think pacquiao should fight martinez, esspecially at 154

pacquiao would come in at 144-145 while martinez comes in at 154 at the weigh-in, that'd be a 10lb advantage of pure muscle for martinez, not including what he'd blow up to on fight night, the fight is unrealistic, and only clowns and idiots think it's a legit fight or that pacquiao is somehow ducking martinez

Maybe this day and age.

This day and age implying a fighter should fight a risky albeit largely bigger fighter becomes offensive for some reason.

I hate to bring in "the good old days" line but once upon a time when people had the chance to enhance their legacy drastically they would give up a large amount of weight. Especially when the fight was winnable for them against a fighter who is good but not great.

That being said, Pacquaio isn't ducking Martinez IMO if he doesn't take it, I understand why he may not want to take that fight at this point. It's understandable and he doesn't need it at this point.

What confuses me is people like yourself who get offended by the notion that Pacquaio should fight a bigger, risky fighter, for some reason.