Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

[turbotime]

Considering that he was excluded from the Super 6, not out of choice but because he didn't fit into the profile Showtime was looking for, it is reasonable, and more importantly, he is ranked the #1 contender by every single credible independent rankings body, bar none. The ease with which he beat Johnson makes his #1 position beyond dispute with anyone who is rational. And if he fights Froch next and beats him convincingly, no one who is not an out and out hater will have any problem with his resume.

This right here..

[jrosales13]

(Light Bulb) Yes, we're talking about Bute the fighter and what he's done in the last 2 years to deserve to fight the SS winner or runner up after they went through 2 years of solid competition.

Since you admit that Bute's resume in the last year and a half was weak while the SS was going on, yes, you've proved my point.

Secondly, if you're riding on Berrio, Bika, and Andrade clearly making Bute's resume worthy of a shot at the SS winner, then we're having some serious problems here. You don't even believe what you typed.

I have Bute ranked #1 I think his resume warrants such a ranking to Ward lineal title.

If that's not deserving then I don't know what is?

Who at 168 deserves it more than Bute?

[BoxingGenius27]

By the standards of the past, Froch fighting twice a year, and not really being in any wars since the Kessler fight, which by the time of his next fight will be two years in the past, isn't a very demanding schedule at all. Just because a lot of boxers have molly coddling schedules these days doesn't mean it's necessary. And he's 34, probably not far from the end of his career, so he needs to strike while the iron's hot. He doesn't want any tune-ups and nor should he. He wants the opportunity to redeem himself and he deserves it.

As for the subjective opinion you refer to, you never refer to it as an opinion, you refer to it as if it were a fact, and it isn't. Silly phrases like "someone's leftovers" do you no favours, and there is no real evidence to back up your opinion. I gave you the example of Hopkins beating Tarver one fight after losing to Taylor and could give many more. Those examples aren't opinions, they are facts.

First off we all know Hopkins is a rare fighter you don't see everyday. He is far from the "norm" in boxing.

Secondly, if you don't think Froch's schedule was "demanding", then what do you call Bute's?

Lastly, I've already named fighters that Bute could've fought instead of Johnson, Mendy and McGee. Don't give me that mandatory or "he tried" crap either.

Since we're talking about "facts", it's a fact that Bute's last 3 opponents were weak compared to fighters that he could've fought.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure that the "majority" of boxers that are coming off losses don't fight "top opposition" immediately after they were beaten. Sure you can throw "Hopkins" or a few other guys in the mix, but we're talking about on average.

[BoxingGenius27]

I have Bute ranked #1 I think his resume warrants such a ranking to Ward lineal title.

If that's not deserving then I don't know what is?

Who at 168 deserves it more than Bute?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Bute, Pavlik, Dirrel bros, Kessler, and Froch should all build their resume and start from the bottom and work to the top.

Bute just can't sit on the sideline and fight 3 weak opponents for the last year and a half and get a title shot when everything's over. You don't stand on the sidelines, trip the winner of the race, pick up his baton, cross the finish line and declare yourself the winner. As much as you'd like to see it, it doesn't work like that.

In my opinion, "no one" deserves a shot a Ward without fighting tough/solid fights first. That doesn't only apply to Bute, but everyone.

[jrosales13]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Bute, Pavlik, Dirrel bros, Kessler, and Froch should all build their resume and start from the bottom and work to the top.

In my opinion, "no one" deserves a shot a Ward without fighting tough/solid fights first. That doesn't only apply to Bute, but everyone.

This whole deserving stuff is nonsense. You fight the best available and that's it.

Ward is the champ, lineal champ. And, IMO Bute is the #1 contender to that crown.

If I'm doing the rankings that's how my ranking would start off.

Plain and simple.

[Dave Rado]

First off we all know Hopkins is a rare fighter you don't see everyday. He is far from the "norm" in boxing.

I said I could give many other examples, stop nit-picking. Here's a more recent one. Froch coming off a loss gave a career-best performance against Abraham, beating him more easily than even Ward did. I could give many more.

Secondly, if you don't think Froch's schedule was "demanding", then what do you call Bute's?

You're evading the point. The point is that your claim that Froch is shop-worn is ridiculous.

Lastly, I've already named fighters that Bute could've fought instead of Johnson, Mendy and McGee. Don't give me that mandatory or "he tried" crap either.

You don't know who was genuinely willing to fight him at the time, you're just speculating. Johnson and McGee were reasonable fights, especially Johnson.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure that the "majority" of boxers that are coming off losses don't fight "top opposition" immediately after they were beaten. Sure you can throw "Hopkins" or a few other guys in the mix, but we're talking about on average.

Many do, and when they do, they frequently do well. Froch has already proved that he's that type, who bounces back well, against Abraham.

[Dave Rado]

This whole deserving stuff is nonsense. You fight the best available and that's it.

Ward is the champ, lineal champ. And, IMO Bute is the #1 contender to that crown.

If I'm doing the rankings that's how my ranking would start off.

Plain and simple.

That's it in a nutshell.

[Dave Rado]

In my opinion, "no one" deserves a shot a Ward without fighting tough/solid fights first. That doesn't only apply to Bute, but everyone.

So Ward should just retire for a couple of years?

[BoxingGenius27]

This whole deserving stuff is nonsense.

Seriously Jro??? This has to be one of the most comical posts you've made so far.

You're right, let's give a title shot to someone that's not deserving as long as he's the next available opponent. Let's forget the reason that he's the next available opponent because the others before him killed each other in the process of determining who's the best.

Now that I think about it, weren't you the one giving Floyd slack for not fighting the best at 147 (2005-2008) when everyone was fighting each other?

Here you have Bute doing the same thing and you're advocating it.

[BoxingGenius27]

I said I could give many other examples, stop nit-picking. Here's a more recent one. Froch coming off a loss gave a career-best performance against Abraham, beating him more easily than even Ward did. I could give many more.



You're evading the point. The point is that your claim that Froch is shop-worn is ridiculous.



You don't know who was genuinely willing to fight him at the time, you're just speculating. Johnson and McGee were reasonable fights, especially Johnson.



Many do, and when they do, they frequently do well. Froch has already proved that he's that type, who bounces back well, against Abraham.

You do realize that AA was also coming off a loss right lol Take a breather and try again.

Froch has been in a rough tourny, probably fighting the "toughest" schedule out of everyone. Why is it so rediculous to think he's possibly shop worn and tired???