Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

[BoxingGenius27]

Hey guys, guess what?

You can type on your keyboards until the keys fall off, but guess what?

Ward already clearly stated that Bute hasn't fought "anyone" in the last 2-3 years; therefore, until Bute steps up his resume, the fight isn't happening lol Guess what, you won't hear a peep from the media or anyone else critisizing the decision either; everyone knows this except for a few guys running around boxingscene.

You guys can cling to your little ranking systems and type until you're blue in the face, but it's not changing anything. Until Bute steps up his comp, he's not getting a title shot. That's just a "fact".

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I'm making all the sense in the world and I would say the general public agrees that Bute hasn't done anything but watch the SS for the last few years. Everyone knows this. Where have you been?

Once again, at this stage "no one" deserves a shot a Ward. They all need to fight each other to determine the next contender.

"The general public"? I'd love some kind of evidence of this claim.

Newsflash; the general public could give two ****s about Ward or Super Six or Bute or 168lbs in general. The boxing public are the only ones who care for the most part, and they want Ward-Bute.

Bute may have knocked over a few overmatched guys lately, and, yes, I agree, he's been relatively pampered the last couple years, BUT; he still has the best resume out of all the relevant 168'ers that Ward hasn't yet faced/beaten except for the guy who just lost to Bute. Where are the super-fights that Ward should be more concerned with than fighting the contenders in his division? You're utterly delusional about his status, man. Never mind where I've been; what planet are you on where Ward is in the rarified stratosphere of the cash-cows and mega-superstars now? He's the SMW Champion who's beaten a few really good fighters and still has work to do.

Again, you are making ZERO sense. None.

[BoxingGenius27]

"The general public"? I'd love some kind of evidence of this claim.

Newsflash; the general public could give two ****s about Ward or Super Six or Bute or 168lbs in general. The boxing public are the only ones who care for the most part, and they want Ward-Bute.

Bute may have knocked over a few overmatched guys lately, and, yes, I agree, he's been relatively pampered the last couple years, BUT; he still has the best resume out of all the relevant 168'ers that Ward hasn't yet faced/beaten except for the guy who just lost to Bute. Where are the super-fights that Ward should be more concerned with than fighting the contenders in his division? You're utterly delusional about his status, man. Never mind where I've been; what planet are you on where Ward is in the rarified stratosphere of the cash-cows and mega-superstars now? He's the SMW Champion who's beaten a few really good fighters and still has work to do.

Again, you are making ZERO sense. None.

Who'd you say Bute's best win was again in the last few years?

Oh I'm sorry, you'd rather write paragraphs than provide a first and last name.

Thanks for the offer, but I refuse your trolling attempt right now. (Bute has the best resume) I was laughing so hard, I almost threw up coughing.

[Dave Rado]

Nope, he should let worthy challengers earn the right to fight him. He's earned the right to be where he's at, why should someone have the opportunity to take his spot when they're not worthy or didn't even have to go through what he had to get it?

That's the American Dream 101 (common knowledge).

You just said there are no worthy challengers and that he shouldn't fight anyone until there are. So that means you think he should retire until someone meets your standards of a worthy challenger.

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"Everyone knows this"?

LMAO.

Yeah, because Andre Ward and his choice of next opponent is the talk of dinner tables across the nation.

The only media that gives a **** about two SMW's who are not far-spread household names is the sports/boxing media. And that media is interested in a Ward-Bute fight, which is why Ward has even been discussing the matter at all.

You don't have an inside track on when Ward will grant Bute a fight. Although the fight probably won't happen next, likely as much to do with the camps' inability to agree terms as anything else, Ward didn't even rule out fighting Bute next. He only just fought four days ago.


Absolutely clueless poster.

[BoxingGenius27]

You just said there are no worthy challengers and that he shouldn't fight anyone until there are. So that means you think he should retire until someone meets your standards of a worthy challenger.

Don't worry man. I actually think Bute is a pretty good fighter. We'll see him fight Ward just as soon as he deserves it.

Don't worry, it will be here in no time

[BoxingGenius27]

"Everyone knows this"?

LMAO.

Yeah, because Andre Ward and his choice of next opponent is the talk of dinner tables across the nation.

The only media that gives a **** about two SMW's who are not far-spread household names is the sports/boxing media. And that media is interested in a Ward-Bute fight, which is why Ward has even been discussing the matter at all.

You don't have an inside track on when Ward will grant Bute a fight. Although the fight probably won't happen next, likely as much to do with the camps' inability to agree terms as anything else, Ward didn't even rule out fighting Bute next. He only just fought four days ago.


Absolutely clueless poster.

Don't worry man. I actually think Bute is a pretty good fighter. We'll see him fight Ward just as soon as he deserves it.

Just as soon as Bute grows some testicles and fights Cloud, I'm sure you'll get your wish.

I doubt Ward will fight him if he beats Froch. I actually have Bute beating Froch, but the win will be discredited (rightfully so).

Don't worry though, Bute and Ward will happen before you know it. Just relax and hang tight my friend

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Who'd you say Bute's best win was again in the last few years?

Oh I'm sorry, you'd rather write paragraphs than provide a first and last name.

Thanks for the offer, but I refuse your trolling attempt right now. (Bute has the best resume) I was laughing so hard, I almost threw up coughing.

The "paragraphs" contain points that you have no answer to.

It doesn't matter that Bute has KO'd some cans in the last two years. He does indeed have the best resume of all the relevant 168'ers whom Ward hasn't yet faced (which is the exact reason why he has the rating he has). Read the whole sentence. If you disagree, debate it with actual points that or STFU. The only one "trolling" is you, ******.

[BoxingGenius27]

The "paragraphs" contain points that you have no answer to.

It doesn't matter that Bute has KO'd some cans in the last two years. He does indeed have the best resume of all the relevant 168'ers whom Ward hasn't yet faced (which is the exact reason why he has the rating he has). Read the whole sentence. If you disagree, debate it with actual points that or STFU. The only one "trolling" is you, ******.

Haha name calling are we?

Relax man, it's going to be ok. Go get laid, have a drink, then learn the fight game.

You're on the right road, just the wrong track; but don't worry, we'll get there

[Dave Rado]

You do realize that AA was also coming off a loss right lol Take a breather and try again.

So by your criteria Ward beat Abraham when he was coming off two losses, so he should have beaten him much more easily than Froch did. But in fact Froch beat Abraham much more easily than Ward did, even though Ward is better than Froch.

The fact is, Froch's performance against Abraham was his career-best performance, in the eyes of anyone who understands boxing and is rational.

Froch has been in a rough tourny, probably fighting the "toughest" schedule out of everyone. Why is it so rediculous to think he's possibly shop worn and tired???

He has not had a rough tourney at all. He's built up a good resume, but it was far from being a rough schedule. He has only been fighting twice a year, which by historical standards is a walk in the park. He took very little punishment against Ward, despite being outclassed. He had a good battle with Johnson but didn't take much punishment in that fight either. He took no punishment at all against Abraham. He took a reasonable amount of punishment against Kessler but that was nearly 2 years ago, and it was a long way from being a beat-down, and he had loads of time to recover afterwards. He took a few isolated good punches against Dirrell but nothing that he wouldn't recover from in a matter of a few days. And that's it.

Against Ward, he was as energetic in the final round as in the first round, and never let up for a moment. He showed no signs whatsoever of being shop-worn - he just lacked Ward's skills.

You simply have no evidence to back up your claims.