Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

[BoxingGenius27]

It's pretty obvious he is posting with an agenda to discredit Bute.

First you say Bute KO's Froch in the middle rounds, now you're saying the fight is 50/50, but you're saying "I have an agenda"?

I've been consistent since day 1 regarding Bute, while you're changing your story every other day.

I never said Bute was a bad fighter, I just think his resume is weak. You and a few others are the only one's running around saying Bute's resume is solid. Which leads me to my next point.

How can you say Bute's resume is solid, but say the SS was weak? Besides Taylor being a weak link, I'd love to hear your excellent logic on this one?

[Boxingtech718v2]

Hopkins would love that fight too. He would get to end the Bute hype, collect a big payday and avoid Dawson, Cloud, Sillack, Pascal

[BoxingGenius27]

But, wins over Berrio, Bika, and Andrade are better wins than the ones you mentioned.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but me mentioning Bute's last 3 fights (Johnson, Mendy, Mcgee) makes more sense than mentioning fighters that he fought years ago, correct?

The fact that you just admit that Bute's resume has gotten "weaker" instead of "stronger", proves the point I'm making. Thanks Jro

[turbotime]

First you say Bute KO's Froch in the middle rounds, now you're saying the fight is 50/50, but you're saying "I have an agenda"?

I've been consistent since day 1 regarding Bute, while you're changing your story every other day.

I never said Bute was a bad fighter, I just think his resume is weak. You and a few others are the only one's running around saying Bute's resume is solid. Which leads me to my next point.

How can you say Bute's resume is solid, but say the SS was weak? Besides Taylor being a weak link, I'd love to hear your excellent logic on this one?

Where have I said Bute's resume is good? He's just had a rough time getting fights at 168 since he wasn't included in the tournament. Now that the tournament is over, he can start looking at the fighters from that tournament, as well as Anthony Dirrell and Cloud if he wants to move down.

[jrosales13]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but mentioning Bute's last 3 fights (Johnson, Mendy, Mcgee) makes more sense than mentioning fighters that he fought years ago, correct?

The fact that you just admit that Bute's resume has gotten "weaker" instead of "stronger", proves the point I'm making. Thanks Jro

Oh I'm sorry I thought we were talking about resume as a whole not just the last 3.

I don't know how a resume gets weaker. But, OK you proved your point good stuff

[Dave Rado]

Tomatoes, tomotoes.... You think Froch is fine coming off a loss, while I beg to differ. We'll just have to subjectively disagree.

But another point that you've missed about Froch is he's just been in the SS for the past 2 years and has fought P4P one of the toughest schedules for the last few years. You want to throw him right in there with Bute with no break? Come on man, let Bute fight Hopkins or Cloud. Forget that going up in weight stuff.

By the standards of the past, Froch fighting twice a year, and not really being in any wars since the Kessler fight, which by the time of his next fight will be two years in the past, isn't a very demanding schedule at all. Just because a lot of boxers have molly coddling schedules these days doesn't mean it's necessary. And he's 34, probably not far from the end of his career, so he needs to strike while the iron's hot. He doesn't want any tune-ups and nor should he. He wants the opportunity to redeem himself and he deserves it.

As for the subjective opinion you refer to, you never refer to it as an opinion, you refer to it as if it were a fact, and it isn't. Silly phrases like "someone's leftovers" do you no favours, and there is no real evidence to back up your opinion. I gave you the example of Hopkins beating Tarver one fight after losing to Taylor and could give many more. Those examples aren't opinions, they are facts.

[BoxingGenius27]

Where have I said Bute's resume is good? He's just had a rough time getting fights at 168 since he wasn't included in the tournament. Now that the tournament is over, he can start looking at the fighters from that tournament, as well as Anthony Dirrell and Cloud if he wants to move down.

Great, so you also agree that his resume is crap?

[Dave Rado]

Great, so you also agree that his resume is crap?

Considering that he was excluded from the Super 6, not out of choice but because he didn't fit into the profile Showtime was looking for, it is reasonable, and more importantly, he is ranked the #1 contender by every single credible independent rankings body, bar none. The ease with which he beat Johnson makes his #1 position beyond dispute with anyone who is rational. And if he fights Froch next and beats him convincingly, no one who is not an out and out hater will have any problem with his resume.

[BoxingGenius27]

Oh I'm sorry I thought we were talking about resume as a whole not just the last 3.

I don't know how a resume gets weaker. But, OK you proved your point good stuff

(Light Bulb) Yes, we're talking about Bute the fighter and what he's done in the last 2 years to deserve to fight the SS winner or runner up after they went through 2 years of solid competition.

Since you admit that Bute's resume in the last year and a half was weak while the SS was going on, yes, you've proved my point.

Secondly, if you're riding on Berrio, Bika, and Andrade clearly making Bute's resume worthy of a shot at the SS winner, then we're having some serious problems here. You don't even believe what you typed.

[DAVEY JOYCE]

Bute would end Hopkins.