Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[UglyPug]

That shit look like a gawdamn strongman competition, no wonder Louis was so dominant during that era.

Fighting against a bunch of marginally skilled, unathletic :wt:

He was way ahead of the curb for his time though.

it is baffling as to how he was outboxed for 13 rounds by a guy who would be a light heavyweight, or maybe even cutting to super-middleweight today. . .

[bojangles1987]

it is baffling as to how he was outboxed for 13 rounds by a guy who would be a light heavyweight, or maybe even cutting to super-middleweight today. . .

That's a perfect example of why skills matter more than size. I'm assuming you're talking about Conn, and Conn was a very, very good fighter with a great gameplan. And Louis still knocked him out.

Louis has a great chance against, and I think would beat Vitali, for the same reason. He's more skilled, arguably the finest offensive fighter to ever step in a ring, and the prospect of chopping down someone so much bigger than him is something he is not the least bit intimidated by or ill-equipped to do.

[UglyPug]

You're basing his skills against fighters with no skills or stamina. And Vitaly doesn't have great head or upper body movement. Louis is far beyond the simple combination throwing you've suggested and was able to take an opponent out with either hand, not just the right. Vitaly leaning back to avoid punches would be his undoing. One of the skills today that is noticeably missing is using feints to set a guy up or get him out of position. Louis was a master at this and would feint Klit into leaning back and catch him with punches as he came back forward.

Louis wasn't fighting in a competitive era either; he was coming in during a time where the division was open. . . you're basing most of his skills against 190 pound human punching bags. . . or, as previously mentioned, big, tall clumsy oafs with no coordination, or dexterous ability. . . he got WORKED by max schmelling in the first fight, and i saw no feints; in fact, i see schmelling feinting him in, and busting his ass over the top with MUCH SLOWER, but better timed punches. . . yeah, yeah i know he blew him out in the rematch, but taht doesn't erase what happened in the first fight. . .

vitali is a stone cold killer in the ring, and if louis was able to sucker him in wtih a feint, he would fire right back as soon as he got hit. . . Louis would not be able to find a home with his jab, and vitali would easily find a home with his. . . i believe louis would be suckered in by vitali's ****y style before vitali would be suckered in by him. .

one of the things that was lacking in louis's era was the ability of a guy to utilize a high guard, or use their feet to change directions, and just overall utilization of defense. . . too many guys who threw wide, telegraphed hooks, coming in face first and blocking punches with their face. . .

im not denying that louis wasn't a great fighter, but i believe he was a product of his era as well. . . i guess we will always have different opinions on how this fight will play out.

[UglyPug]

That's a perfect example of why skills matter more than size. I'm assuming you're talking about Conn, and Conn was a very, very good fighter with a great gameplan. And Louis still knocked him out.

Louis has a great chance against, and I think would beat Vitali, for the same reason. He's more skilled, arguably the finest offensive fighter to ever step in a ring, and the prospect of chopping down someone so much bigger than him is something he is not the least bit intimidated by or ill-equipped to do.

i see vitali as being more "aware", and possessing a great ability to "read and react" than louis. . . im just going to have to agree to disagree; ive looked at it from all angles, and everytime i close my eyes to see the fight playing out, i see louis getting peppered by jabs, and timed trying to come in. . .

only big guys louis chopped down were inept; they possessed no moredexterity, coordination, or ring awareness than say, tye fields, or tony thompson at best. . .

[Cereal]

The ridiculously overrated Louis was DESTROYED by 190 lbs Schmeling and 184 lbs Marciano. He got knocked down and badly hurt by middleweights, super middleweights, light heavyweights, etc. He was knocked down, badly hurt and almost KO'd by fat midget bum Galento. He got schooled by 174 lbs Conn, if it was a 12 round fight, Louis would've lost a UD to a 174 lbs bum.

Vitali EASILY DESTROYS Louis.


FACTS about Vitali Klitschko

- WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Has never truly lost

- There is no blueprint to beat him

- He is unbeatable

- He is the most dominant fighter of all time

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced

- 45 have tried and 45 have been dominated

- Has never been behind on the scorecards at the end of a fight

- Has never been knocked down

- He is the most intimidating HW of all time

- Greatest Heavyweight Champ KO% of all time

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing

- Vitali was WBC and RING Undisputed HW Champ when he retired in 2004

- Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

- Vitali beats any HW from any era.

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Vitali wins in my opinion. He is excellent at fighting big.

[UglyPug]

however, i will say that JAB's point of fighters not being able to use feints is a good point. . . louis's best chance would be to get vitali to come forward, and then when he leans back to avoid louis's counter, louis would have his head sitting on a swivel straight up in the air. . . but could he repeat this enough to win a decision?

could he avoid vitali's high jab output? would he have the stamina, punch resistance, and wherewithal to either eat his jabs and straight rights to close the gap, or could he keep up enough of a pace by constnatly burrowing himself inside to inhibit vitali's punch output? keep in mind, vitali will fight with you on the inside unlike wladimir. . . i don't see louis being able to outbox vitali in the center of the ring for 12 rounds.

[FatSmoker]

Dont try and have a debat with guys from the History section. They live in their own fantasy world

[JAB5239]

Dont try and have a debat with guys from the History section, they know their facts!

Why thank you!!

[Daddy T]

With the heavyweights when you have a period where there are no great smaller fighters eg Tyson, Ali, Louis, Holyfield, Dempsey etc you get a situation were the less skilled fighters that abound rely too heavily on size, weight and brute force, thus its inevitable that the biggest strongest guys (Vitali, Carnera etc) come to the fore and dominate since a 6ft 2" 220 pound guy with your come forward brute force style will always lose to a 250 pound guy. Basically you can bet your house that in a division lacking fighters of ATG quality skills the really big guys will beat any and all fighters of 200-220lb. BUT when the super skillfull ATG 200 - 220lb fighters come along they will clear out the giants, thats the way its alway has been and always will be. Its no accident that when you get the super skilled super fast ATG 200-220lb guys appearing the big guys are shown up as too slow and unwieldy and disapear from the upper echelons. Look at the likes of say Dempsey fighting some of these massive guys and see how he handles them, or how Holyfield at about 215 pounds could give Bowe (just as good as either klit when they fought) all he could handle. Size is important and gives you great natural advantages but great skill and heart can and will overcome it ... Anyway to cut a long story short Vitali is lucky there is no Joe Louis around today - The Brown Bomber wins this.

[Brockton Lip]

Louis stops him. The fact that this debate is still going on shows how little some people know about boxing.