Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[LeG00N]

Joe made a routine out of KOing guys twice his size.


Buddy Baer 6'7 250 lbs KO1


Abe Simon 6'4 255 lbs TKO 6



Primo Carnera 6'6 260 lbs TKO 6

green K and points sent

[JAB5239]

Just the first sentence of your post completely dismisses this guys ridiculous attempt to make Primo Carnera look better than Vitali Klitschko. I love it. Please keep posting.

Actually it doesn't because he is basing it on an ASSumption, not on facts.

However, since we're twisting and spinning things I'll just throw this out there for a laugh. How bad is todays heavyweight division when a part time fighter (Vitaly) is it's most dominant? I mean this guy isn't even a dock worker or a leg breaker, he's a politician!

[JAB5239]

Ok, I said I wouldn't respond to any posts, but just one.



If Vitali was the same size as Louis, he would no longer be Vitali but a different fighter altogether. It's a dumb analogy. That's like saying that Shaq O'neal would still play like Shaq if he weren't over 7 foot tall. Yet are other 7 foot tall Centers as great as Shaq was?

If it's just size, any 6'7 guy would be owning guys left and right, yet we've seen plenty of big guys like that flop. The ignorance is astounding.

Mayweather revolutionized the defensive style of shoulder rolling. The Klitschko's revolutionized the most effective way of fighting as a tall fighter.

S.K.I.L.L.S.

Totally disagree. Floyd didn't revolutionize the shoulder roll and the Klits style of fighting isn't skillful. They're just bigger and more athletic, fighting guys not nearly as disciplined and lacking talent and skills. There is simply no proof Vitaly could deal with the skills of Louis. And while he is better than any other big man Joe fought, Louis has proved he could chop down a tree who fought in a very similar fashion.

[JAB5239]

No disrespect to anyone specifically but the people who voted Joe Louis are doing it simply from atg status and not an actual H2H matchup. Louis simply couldn't compete with Vitali with his size. I'm sorry but he wouldn't even be competitive and would get manhandled in short fashion. Just too small people.

Than again, you're a moron who has no idea how to look at comparative skills and think size is the end all of a fight. Lol, pathetic!!

[JAB5239]

If Vitali fought with this style, he would've gotten knocked out too.

Yet he does fight with Carnera's style, albeit better.

[UglyPug]

LOL. . . here is a video of the great primo carnera with his awesome ability to dictate range. . . slippery upper body movement, and straight, powerful jab!

[UglyPug]

hahahahahaha! look how a skillful maz baer work his way in with such silky head movement, and skillfully placed punches! and watch as the masterful carnera puts up so much resistance with his size and skill! HAHA

[UglyPug]

Totally disagree. Floyd didn't revolutionize the shoulder roll and the Klits style of fighting isn't skillful. They're just bigger and more athletic, fighting guys not nearly as disciplined and lacking talent and skills. There is simply no proof Vitaly could deal with the skills of Louis. And while he is better than any other big man Joe fought, Louis has proved he could chop down a tree who fought in a very similar fashion.

come on how can you say vitali isn't skillful? he is a fighter who "reads and reacts", gauges distance, and then makes himself extremely hard to hit cleanly, and discouraging fighters to even TRY to come in because of his excellent timing and mastering of range/distance. . . his work rate is amazing. . .

im not saying louis isn't a better conventional boxer-puncher, because he is, however, that "drone" style would play right into vitali's hands. . . vitali's unorthodox style would prevail over the technically sound guy who tries to come in with 1-2's, throws the quintessential 1-2-hook-2, and relies on an overhand right as his money punch. . . carnera possessed a FRACTION of the ring intelligence, awareness, mastering of distance, and ability to use head and upper body movement to lure your opponent in only to lean back out of their range. . .

[JAB5239]

LOL. . . here is a video of the great primo carnera with his awesome ability to dictate range. . . slippery upper body movement, and straight, powerful jab!

It's not indicative to Carnera's improvement or his resemblance in style to Vitaly. The Carnera who went on to beat Shaaf, Sharkey, Uzcudun and Loughran in succession was a much better and more experienced fighter.

[JAB5239]

come on how can you say vitali isn't skillful? he is a fighter who "reads and reacts", gauges distance, and then makes himself extremely hard to hit cleanly, and discouraging fighters to even TRY to come in because of his excellent timing and mastering of range/distance. . . his work rate is amazing. . .

im not saying louis isn't a better conventional boxer-puncher, because he is, however, that "drone" style would play right into vitali's hands. . . vitali's unorthodox style would prevail over the technically sound guy who tries to come in with 1-2's, throws the quintessential 1-2-hook-2, and relies on an overhand right as his money punch. . . carnera possessed a FRACTION of the ring intelligence, awareness, mastering of distance, and ability to use head and upper body movement to lure your opponent in only to lean back out of their range. . .

You're basing his skills against fighters with no skills or stamina. And Vitaly doesn't have great head or upper body movement. Louis is far beyond the simple combination throwing you've suggested and was able to take an opponent out with either hand, not just the right. Vitaly leaning back to avoid punches would be his undoing. One of the skills today that is noticeably missing is using feints to set a guy up or get him out of position. Louis was a master at this and would feint Klit into leaning back and catch him with punches as he came back forward.