Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[Joeyzagz]

it is baffling as to how he was outboxed for 13 rounds by a guy who would be a light heavyweight, or maybe even cutting to super-middleweight today. . .

More embarrassing to Quit against a former supermiddleweight. Vitali had huge size and weight over Byrd and still was not man enough to finish the job.



- Byrd gave Vitali the most problems
-Cooper gave Ali the most problems
-Conn gave Louis the most problems

Its always the little buggers. At least Louis sparked his midget out.

[Tiozzo]

So in your opinion, Vitali had problems with Byrd before getting injured? Winning 8 out of 9 rounds isn't trouble. Plus, Louis was 25 lbs lighter than Byrd and wasn't as good defensively. Louis would've gotten smashed and you know it.

you didn't get it

Vitali wouldn't have been too big

Louis 6'2
Byrd 6'0

Byrd ate his way up to heavyweight, and despite being 8 inches smaller than Vitali, he was able to make solid contact and landed almost as many punches

I'm not saying he was winning the fight, I'm saying he was connecting

Louis was all muscle, and he had one of the most destructive right hand ever

what does that tell you ? Louis would have landed too, but causing real damage

he would have tore that face apart, Lewis style

Louis breaks Vitali's face and you don't know it

[Daddy T]

I'll wade back into this to say there hasn't been a fighter in the last twenty years save perhaps Lennox that would have a cats chance in hell of beating a prime Joe Louis - and I would back him to beat Lennox too.

[Joeyzagz]

Jim Braddock? Lol, that's all you needed to say. Hahahaha!

Yet we know who Jim Braddock is... 80 years later.

In the year 2091 will anyone know what an Albert Sosnoski was? Kirk Johnson only happened 8 years ago and I couldnt tell you a single victory he had. Gomez? The Pole who lost to Dawson? seriously.


Vitali's resume is shtty in 2011, and its only going to get worse as time progresses. He has the worst record of wins of any Heavyweight Champion. Im glad hes winning the rounds because thats the only thing keeping him in the top 20.

[Mr. Invincible]

More embarrassing to Quit against a former supermiddleweight. Vitali had huge size and weight over Byrd and still was not man enough to finish the job.



- Byrd gave Vitali the most problems
-Cooper gave Ali the most problems
-Conn gave Louis the most problems

Its always the little buggers. At least Louis sparked his midget out.

Vitali only had problems hitting Byrd consistently. He won almost every round and just happened to injure himself. There's a big difference between what Byrd did and what Louis was known for doing. He would be way more available to get hit when trying to hit Vitali and that would cause his inevitable demise. Don't just take my word for it. Take the word of the other 60% of voters with some common sense as well.

[Mr. Invincible]

you didn't get it

Vitali wouldn't have been too big

Louis 6'2
Byrd 6'0

Byrd ate his way up to heavyweight, and despite being 8 inches smaller than Vitali, he was able to make solid contact and landed almost as many punches

I'm not saying he was winning the fight, I'm saying he was connecting

Louis was all muscle, and he had one of the most destructive right hand ever

what does that tell you ? Louis would have landed too, but causing real damage

he would have tore that face apart, Lewis style

Louis breaks Vitali's face and you don't know it

I'm not taking away from Louis, all I'm saying is that he's not all defensive, couldn't avoid taking shots from Vitali and was too small @ 190-200 lbs to avoid being knocked out within probably 6 rounds. We already know he wasn't hurting Vitali because no matter how hard he hit, he wasn't connecting better than the two Lewis uppercuts that Vitali took.

[Mr. Invincible]

I'll wade back into this to say there hasn't been a fighter in the last twenty years save perhaps Lennox that would have a cats chance in hell of beating a prime Joe Louis - and I would back him to beat Lennox too.

How about a modern guy who fights like Schmelling? Look, I understand having recpect for atg's but you have to understand. Boxing has come a long way and so has athletics. Can you imagine the 1945 Bears competing even in college today? No, they just couldn't be competitive. This goes for almost all athletics. Especially heavyweight boxing. Luis wouldn't have a prayer against Vitali or today's Wladimir.

[Superflo777]

He has the worst record of wins of any Heavyweight Champion.

****** and plain wrong statement.

[Mr. Invincible]

Yet we know who Jim Braddock is... 80 years later.

In the year 2091 will anyone know what an Albert Sosnoski was? Kirk Johnson only happened 8 years ago and I couldnt tell you a single victory he had. Gomez? The Pole who lost to Dawson? seriously.


Vitali's resume is shtty in 2011, and its only going to get worse as time progresses. He has the worst record of wins of any Heavyweight Champion. Im glad hes winning the rounds because thats the only thing keeping him in the top 20.

Lol, what does this all have to do with a H2H matchup with Louis and Vitali? Keep to topic if you are going to debate. All you haters can say is Vitali's resume is thin. This means little. All he can do is beat who is in front of him, which he has done every time save the Lewis and Byrd INJURIES! If you want to debate boxing with me at least stay on topic and make sense. You come on this site to only bash Vitali, what's that all about?

[kendom]

Louis wasn't fighting in a competitive era either; he was coming in during a time where the division was open. . . you're basing most of his skills against 190 pound human punching bags. . . or, as previously mentioned, big, tall clumsy oafs with no coordination, or dexterous ability. . . he got WORKED by max schmelling in the first fight, and i saw no feints; in fact, i see schmelling feinting him in, and busting his ass over the top with MUCH SLOWER, but better timed punches. . . yeah, yeah i know he blew him out in the rematch, but taht doesn't erase what happened in the first fight. . .

vitali is a stone cold killer in the ring, and if louis was able to sucker him in wtih a feint, he would fire right back as soon as he got hit. . . Louis would not be able to find a home with his jab, and vitali would easily find a home with his. . . i believe louis would be suckered in by vitali's ****y style before vitali would be su
Vitali leans straight back after he gets
one of the things that was lacking in louis's era was the ability of a guy to utilize a high guard, or use their feet to change directions, and just overall utilization of defense. . . too many guys who threw wide, telegraphed hooks, coming in face first and blocking punches with their face. . .

im not denying that louis wasn't a great fighter, but i believe he was a product of his era as well. . . i guess we will always have different opinions on how this fight will play out.

When Vitali gets hit he backs straight up so he can be hit, again against a combo machine like Louis thats almost suicidal, does Vitali even know how to block a jab? because Louis was certainly a master at it. And if guys from Louis's era "blocked punches with their face" then how do you explain the slick head movement of some one like Godoy?. Vitali makes far too much amateurish mistakes in the ring and he gets away with it because of his piss poor opposition- look at how many right hands Lewis was able to hit him with in their fight, if Lewis could do that in that condition, you bets believe Joe could do worse.