Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

[Carpe Diem]

He has definitely improved. He's now capable of using his right hand/hook to time his opponents rhythm rushing in face first, but his style is basically the same as it always been except he's much more disciplined and patient now compared to how wilder he was back at the lower weight divisions.

His balance is still the same, he just hasn't fought someone as equally technically skilled as JMM that can make him pay. His footwork is good, but not great as his some fans are desperately trying to persuading everyone else. I think his foot-speed is great, but having footwork and foot-speed are two different things. Overall, Manny has added in few more tools to his repertoire, but most of his major flaws are still there to be exploits. Only certain Boxers with the right technical skillset and high boxing IQ can exploits those flaws.

[Brother Jay]

He has definitely improved. He's now capable of using his right hand/hook to time his opponents rhythm rushing in face first, but his style is basically the same as it always been except he's much more disciplined and patient now compared to how wilder he was back at the lower weight divisions.

His balance is still the same, he just hasn't fought someone as equally technically skilled as JMM that can make him pay. His footwork is good, but not great as his some fans are desperately trying to persuading everyone else. I think his foot-speed is great, but having footwork and foot-speed are two different things. Overall, Manny has added in few more tools to his repertoire, but most of his major flaws are still there to be exploits. Only certain Boxers with the right technical skillset and high boxing IQ can exploits those flaws.

Truth is ... you can't really gauge how much better Pacquiao's gotten because the quality of his opponents were not as high as Marquez.

Marquez was the last top fighter that Pacquiao faced who still possessed his prime athletic ability and skills. Which fight are you going to use to gauge Manny's improvement?

If anything, Clottey and Mosley showed flaws that still exist in Manny's style. Clottey used a peek-a-boo defense to show that. While Mosley used footwork and timing to show that when one doesn't stand and trade with Pacquiao, they can do very well.

I don't think that coming into the ring and putting on a demonstration of what you've worked on means you've improved unless you're actually using it during an exchange. Anyone can show head movement and footwork at moments when the heat isn't on.

Since the beginning, Pacquiao's bread and butter has always been and continues to be a jab, jab straight left hand combo. Pacquiao has never improved in exchanges beyond that simple combo. And that simple combo has never been as effective as it is against men who only come straight forward and try to land big bombs. That sounds like Manny's entire competition since Marquez in 2008 with the exception of Mosley.

So while Manny has made what he does work exceptionally well for him, improvement in terms of adjustments as a boxer is a bit of a stretch. While the fists are flying, Manny is the same boxer that he's always been. While the boxers are jabbing and feeling each other out, he doesn't make things happen outside of that combo I mentioned. That in itself shows that there is little improvement.

Defensively, Pacquiao gets hit just as much as he always has. So we all know there is no improvement there.

Manny isn't the type of boxer that improves skill-wise. He's the type who keeps finding more and more energy to impose that jab, jab straight left hand combo on his opponents. That's about the whole story.

Watch any Pacquiao fight and you'll see that what I wrote is true.

[Horvo]

Truth is ... you can't really gauge how much better Pacquiao's gotten because the quality of his opponents were not as high as Marquez.

Marquez was the last top fighter that Pacquiao faced who still possessed his prime athletic ability and skills. Which fight are you going to use to gauge Manny's improvement?

If anything, Clottey and Mosley showed flaws that still exist in Manny's style. Clottey used a peek-a-boo defense to show that. While Mosley used footwork and timing to show that when one doesn't stand and trade with Pacquiao, they can do very well.I don't think that coming into the ring and putting on a demonstration of what you've worked on means you've improved unless you're actually using it during an exchange. Anyone can show head movement and footwork at moments when the heat isn't on.

Since the beginning, Pacquiao's bread and butter has always been and continues to be a jab, jab straight left hand combo. Pacquiao has never improved in exchanges beyond that simple combo. And that simple combo has never been as effective as it is against men who only come straight forward and try to land big bombs. That sounds like Manny's entire competition since Marquez in 2008 with the exception of Mosley.

So while Manny has made what he does work exceptionally well for him, improvement in terms of adjustments as a boxer is a bit of a stretch. While the fists are flying, Manny is the same boxer that he's always been. While the boxers are jabbing and feeling each other out, he doesn't make things happen outside of that combo I mentioned. That in itself shows that there is little improvement.

Defensively, Pacquiao gets hit just as much as he always has. So we all know there is no improvement there.

Manny isn't the type of boxer that improves skill-wise. He's the type who keeps finding more and more energy to impose that jab, jab straight left hand combo on his opponents. That's about the whole story.

Watch any Pacquiao fight and you'll see that what I wrote is true.

I don't understand why people think Mosley did very well. He lost every minute of every round. He landed fewer punches than he has against any other fighter. How was he doing "very well"? By simply surviving?

The fact is that Pacquiao hasn't been outpunched according to compubox for 67 straight rounds since the last Marquez fight. (I know compubox isn't precisely accurate, but that is still an amazing statistic.)

This upcoming fight will give us some clue as to how much better he has gotten, even though JMM will have aged more than two and a half years since then. If Pac sweeps every round against JMM I think it's safe to say he's made some pretty serious improvements. If JMM is still able to mix it up with him then we know he has had favorable matchups.

I also think people underestimate the strain that draining puts on fighters. Pacquiao gained 16 pounds, after weighing in at 129 during the last JMM fight, or almost 12.5% of his body weight. That's a huge percentage. (Ortiz only put on 11.5% against PBF.)

I think it's not a coincidence that the two best fighters rehydrate the least weight in boxing. They give up the size advantage, but gain the ability to keep their body strong and their stamina high. Too many fighters focus too much on fighting at a lower weight class than they should, to gain the size advantage, but are weakening themselves in the process.

Take any elite athlete in any other sport and make them lose 10% of their body weight the day before their competition and I bet their performance would seriously be degraded.

[tangalog2200]

I don't understand why people think Mosley did very well. He lost every minute of every round. He landed fewer punches than he has against any other fighter. How was he doing "very well"? By simply surviving?

The fact is that Pacquiao hasn't been outpunched according to compubox for 67 straight rounds since the last Marquez fight. (I know compubox isn't precisely accurate, but that is still an amazing statistic.)

This upcoming fight will give us some clue as to how much better he has gotten, even though JMM will have aged more than two and a half years since then. If Pac sweeps every round against JMM I think it's safe to say he's made some pretty serious improvements. If JMM is still able to mix it up with him then we know he has had favorable matchups.

I also think people underestimate the strain that draining puts on fighters. Pacquiao gained 16 pounds, after weighing in at 129 during the last JMM fight, or almost 12.5% of his body weight. That's a huge percentage. (Ortiz only put on 11.5% against PBF.)

I think it's not a coincidence that the two best fighters rehydrate the least weight in boxing. They give up the size advantage, but gain the ability to keep their body strong and their stamina high. Too many fighters focus too much on fighting at a lower weight class than they should, to gain the size advantage, but are weakening themselves in the process.

Take any elite athlete in any other sport and make them lose 10% of their body weight the day before their competition and I bet their performance would seriously be degraded.

very well said....

some people think that mosley running away and joshua in his shell did expose pac's weaknesses.........

pac may not have scored big points on a running opponent or on someone in a shell..

but fighters likewise don't get points running away or just playing posum in a shell...

a judge though may give the round to one who pursue, rather to one that just run away..etc., etc..

[Best in Boxing]

Hmm what do you mean??

.. I agree that Marquez is like Manny kryptonite. It will be a ****ing war bro. But know that Pacquiao is on some god level now. Just have that clear man.

But yeah like I agree, Marquez is going to give Pacquiao everything he got and hell. It will be an exciting fight and another classic.

:gay::gay::gay:

[Reloaded]

I don't understand why people think Mosley did very well. He lost every minute of every round. He landed fewer punches than he has against any other fighter. How was he doing "very well"? By simply surviving?

The fact is that Pacquiao hasn't been outpunched according to compubox for 67 straight rounds since the last Marquez fight. (I know compubox isn't precisely accurate, but that is still an amazing statistic.)

This upcoming fight will give us some clue as to how much better he has gotten, even though JMM will have aged more than two and a half years since then. If Pac sweeps every round against JMM I think it's safe to say he's made some pretty serious improvements. If JMM is still able to mix it up with him then we know he has had favorable matchups.

I also think people underestimate the strain that draining puts on fighters. Pacquiao gained 16 pounds, after weighing in at 129 during the last JMM fight, or almost 12.5% of his body weight. That's a huge percentage. (Ortiz only put on 11.5% against PBF.)

I think it's not a coincidence that the two best fighters rehydrate the least weight in boxing. They give up the size advantage, but gain the ability to keep their body strong and their stamina high. Too many fighters focus too much on fighting at a lower weight class than they should, to gain the size advantage, but are weakening themselves in the process.

Take any elite athlete in any other sport and make them lose 10% of their body weight the day before their competition and I bet their performance would seriously be degraded.

People are not saying Mosley did well . get that straight , they are saying he showed how easy it is to survive and frustrate Pac even though he was shot and couldnt pull the trigger , they are saying he showed a lot of flaws in Pac in reference to a May fight , they are saying that Mosley showed why Pac has avoided fast fighters his whole career , they are saying Floyd is waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Mosley , do you understand what reading form is about .

Pac is forcing opponets he sees as a risk to a weight that will effect that opponents performance , that is an advantage to Manny and a handicap to the other guy .

If Pac is all you say he is , why does he need to CW a WW in Cotto and then CW a LW , but Mosley and Clottey was ok to be 147 ,,,, you tell me why all this picking and choosing of weight , seeing that fanboys think it doesnt help him at all why do it .

[Brother Jay]

I don't understand why people think Mosley did very well. He lost every minute of every round. He landed fewer punches than he has against any other fighter. How was he doing "very well"? By simply surviving?

The fact is that Pacquiao hasn't been outpunched according to compubox for 67 straight rounds since the last Marquez fight. (I know compubox isn't precisely accurate, but that is still an amazing statistic.)

This upcoming fight will give us some clue as to how much better he has gotten, even though JMM will have aged more than two and a half years since then. If Pac sweeps every round against JMM I think it's safe to say he's made some pretty serious improvements. If JMM is still able to mix it up with him then we know he has had favorable matchups.

I also think people underestimate the strain that draining puts on fighters. Pacquiao gained 16 pounds, after weighing in at 129 during the last JMM fight, or almost 12.5% of his body weight. That's a huge percentage. (Ortiz only put on 11.5% against PBF.)

I think it's not a coincidence that the two best fighters rehydrate the least weight in boxing. They give up the size advantage, but gain the ability to keep their body strong and their stamina high. Too many fighters focus too much on fighting at a lower weight class than they should, to gain the size advantage, but are weakening themselves in the process.

Take any elite athlete in any other sport and make them lose 10% of their body weight the day before their competition and I bet their performance would seriously be degraded.

I don't think Mosley was winning at ANY point. What he did successfully do was show other fighters that Pacquiao is limited when boxing someone not willing to stand and trade.

THAT IS WHAT MOSLEY DID.

Sorry for the confusion. Pacquiao definitely won his fight with Mosley. No question about it. It wasn't close in my book, but IMO that was only because Shane tried to be tactical from the OUTSIDE ... something that goes against the principles of the POWERBOXING that he made famous. Shane isn't particularly skilled at fighting from a distance. Never has been. Never has been his forte.

However, when Shane tried to nullify Pacquiao's straightforward speed and power, he was VERY successful in doing so at the cost of his losing the match.

Meldrick Taylor fought a tremendous fight against Chavez. He was on his way to handing a living legend a huge loss. He showed the world that Chavez had flaws and weaknesses. He ultimately lost the fight with seconds to go, but he still exposed Chavez in a big freakin' way.

The same happened in the Clottey fight. Yes, Clottey lost that fight. IMO it wasn't even close, but Clottey showed that if a boxer has a solid defense and the ability to pick and choose his punches he can put a hurting on Pacquiao. And considering that Clottey barely ever came out of his shell, it was very telling IF you bothered to look at Pacquiao's face at the end of that fight.

In its proper context, my point is VERY strong.

[boxer.exposed]

Truth is ... you can't really gauge how much better Pacquiao's gotten because the quality of his opponents were not as high as Marquez.

Marquez was the last top fighter that Pacquiao faced who still possessed his prime athletic ability and skills. Which fight are you going to use to gauge Manny's improvement?

If anything, Clottey and Mosley showed flaws that still exist in Manny's style. Clottey used a peek-a-boo defense to show that. While Mosley used footwork and timing to show that when one doesn't stand and trade with Pacquiao, they can do very well.

I don't think that coming into the ring and putting on a demonstration of what you've worked on means you've improved unless you're actually using it during an exchange. Anyone can show head movement and footwork at moments when the heat isn't on.

Since the beginning, Pacquiao's bread and butter has always been and continues to be a jab, jab straight left hand combo. Pacquiao has never improved in exchanges beyond that simple combo. And that simple combo has never been as effective as it is against men who only come straight forward and try to land big bombs. That sounds like Manny's entire competition since Marquez in 2008 with the exception of Mosley.

So while Manny has made what he does work exceptionally well for him, improvement in terms of adjustments as a boxer is a bit of a stretch. While the fists are flying, Manny is the same boxer that he's always been. While the boxers are jabbing and feeling each other out, he doesn't make things happen outside of that combo I mentioned. That in itself shows that there is little improvement.

Defensively, Pacquiao gets hit just as much as he always has. So we all know there is no improvement there.

Manny isn't the type of boxer that improves skill-wise. He's the type who keeps finding more and more energy to impose that jab, jab straight left hand combo on his opponents. That's about the whole story.

Watch any Pacquiao fight and you'll see that what I wrote is true.

Mosley doing well against Pacquiao while he was losing every second, every minute and every round? SMH

[pasawayako]

Every boxing experts, boxing analyst, boxing legends are almost in agree that pac has improve since marquez 2 fight and here in NSB thinks that hasn't improve since marquez 2?

Floyd himself couldn't even believe how greatly improve pac after 26 years old.

[BuckToothed]

People are not saying Mosley did well . get that straight , they are saying he showed how easy it is to survive and frustrate Pac even though he was shot and couldnt pull the trigger , they are saying he showed a lot of flaws in Pac in reference to a May fight , they are saying that Mosley showed why Pac has avoided fast fighters his whole career , they are saying Floyd is waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Mosley , do you understand what reading form is about .

Pac is forcing opponets he sees as a risk to a weight that will effect that opponents performance , that is an advantage to Manny and a handicap to the other guy .

If Pac is all you say he is , why does he need to CW a WW in Cotto and then CW a LW , but Mosley and Clottey was ok to be 147 ,,,, you tell me why all this picking and choosing of weight , seeing that fanboys think it doesnt help him at all why do it .

I don't think Mosley was winning at ANY point. What he did successfully do was show other fighters that Pacquiao is limited when boxing someone not willing to stand and trade.

THAT IS WHAT MOSLEY DID.

Sorry for the confusion. Pacquiao definitely won his fight with Mosley. No question about it. It wasn't close in my book, but IMO that was only because Shane tried to be tactical from the OUTSIDE ... something that goes against the principles of the POWERBOXING that he made famous. Shane isn't particularly skilled at fighting from a distance. Never has been. Never has been his forte.

However, when Shane tried to nullify Pacquiao's straightforward speed and power, he was VERY successful in doing so at the cost of his losing the match.

Meldrick Taylor fought a tremendous fight against Chavez. He was on his way to handing a living legend a huge loss. He showed the world that Chavez had flaws and weaknesses. He ultimately lost the fight with seconds to go, but he still exposed Chavez in a big freakin' way.

The same happened in the Clottey fight. Yes, Clottey lost that fight. IMO it wasn't even close, but Clottey showed that if a boxer has a solid defense and the ability to pick and choose his punches he can put a hurting on Pacquiao. And considering that Clottey barely ever came out of his shell, it was very telling IF you bothered to look at Pacquiao's face at the end of that fight.

In its proper context, my point is VERY strong.

WTF... What Mosley did is show HOW TO LOSE TO PAC. That is all.
Guess what? Mosley and Clottey opens up and they get KTFO.

Now, blueprinted as you claim, I want the next guy to run AND engage Pac and lets see how long he stays conscious.