Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

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I'd rather believe guys like

Larry Merchant, Thomas Hauser and Al Bernstein who all believed that Pacquiao has improved a lot.



Thanks for the analysis anyway.


BTW


Manny Pacquiao is 32 years old. Many fighters are retired by that age. Some people must have thought that Manny's age isnt moving and he's 24

You believe anyone that says the things you wanna here , you cant make your own mind and form an opinion based on facts , you gotta throw names like they said it so it must be right , but what about all the renoun people that say the opposite lol ,, like I said you see and hear what you wanna see and hear , hype is everywhere and the CWs are bull**** especially this one with JMM .

[Jack Napier]

JMM is going up in weight , indirectly forced actually , even though by the rules he dont have too , why would he want to stay in touch with Pacs strength .

Because if he dont he will get steamrolled , so by being forced up in weight the offset is he will be slower , you getting the idea yet ,

You know an idea , maybe like , slow a counter puncher that usually gives a war when he is faster , did twice already LOL , slow him down and the odds are he dont a third time , he dont get of with the same speed and this fight aint the same deal as when these 2 fight under 140 .

Roach is very switched on to weight , did Roach or anyone else come out and say Pac would KO JMM in under 6 in either of the first fights ,, NO CW thats why .

JMM isn't being forced into jack shit, directly or indirectly
he wants the fight so he's moving up
if he didn't like the weight he could face someone else
Pac is limiting himself to 144 instead of 147
he's not forcing JMM to anything

[Toyman]

This post shows how completely bias you are. And, just a pure hater. You making excuses and illogical statements. And, overall lack of knowledge.

If im not mistaken, you're talking to some guy who said that ross greenburg's statements regarding the failed negotiations were just a bob arum story.

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So what this is not a catch-weight. What's your point? So now we taking away cuz' of having "BIG" problems making a weight that they campaign in?



So we bashing him for fighting catch-weight. But, yet he should have fought Mosley at a catch-weight? Sounds logical.



No he was coming off 2 victories.



He ducked Foreman? OK, I guess



What weight-class is Pac campaigning in?



The point is why does anyone need a catch-weight...Matter of fact who's the catch-weight benefits...Forget about Pac for a second, who does the catch-weight suppose to benefit?

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This absolutely makes no sense. How was Oscar 160 against Floyd but Cotto 147 against Mosley?



How was Margarito drained? Go ask Eaner if he was drained...Who's was part of that camp. Just because there's a catch-weight doesn't mean that fighter is drained. I'm not sure if you're an idiot or not. I don't think you're the most knowledgeable boxing guy out there. But, it's idiotic to think that a fighter is drained just because of a catch-weight.

Was B-Hop drained in all his catch-weight fights? Was Whitaker? Was Martinez?



B-Hop says hello.

This post shows how completely bias you are. And, just a pure hater. You making excuses and illogical statements. And, overall lack of knowledge.

No he was coming off 2 victories.

You mean 2 give me's lol ,he didnt just get beat by Margo he got flogged by loaded gloves it was terrible beating both physically and mentally , and yes Roach did say " Cotto is damaged goods " but it must be at 145 just in case lol .

What weight-class is Pac campaigning in?

Ok glad you made point of that , can you find another fighter in history that CWS inside his own division , like for example a LW forcing a LW to a CW ? and then how can you claim p4p No1 under such a thing , its ludicrous .

This absolutely makes no sense. How was Oscar 160 against Floyd but Cotto 147 against Mosley?

Oscar was 160 on the night with Floyd not 145 like his was with Pac , that would have made a huge difference in Oscar , huge difference in power speed and overall zing .
Cotto was fighting with no CW against Mosley I dont know what he weighed on the night but I guarantee you he would have been quite a bit different than with the CW and even more so pre the beating , but both together going into Pac , work it out .

How was Margarito drained? Go ask Eaner if he was drained...Who's was part of that camp. Just because there's a catch-weight doesn't mean that fighter is drained. I'm not sure if you're an idiot or not. I don't think you're the most knowledgeable boxing guy out there. But, it's idiotic to think that a fighter is drained just because of a catch-weight.


Again your assuming based on the hype , of course the trainer and all concerned is not going to not harp on the weight because they have committed to it and must still sell the fight , just like JMM now , he wanted 140 but says its no problem now its 144 . thats the way the game goes , but the rumors of weight troubles with Margo were all around , what was that stuff they found in his dressing room .

Now to spin it the way you are by saying " because its a CW it means they are drained " well no it dont , not on face value , the fight when the performance is seen is the biggest guide , the snippets of weight trouble after the fact , and then the fact that Margo would not fight Cotto at 150 says he cant make it lol , and Cotto dont pay as much as Pac does , Cotto tried for the 150 because he knows its a red zone for Margo and he has a little political justification so to speak because Margo agreed to 150 for Pac .

The CW can hurt you both ways , going up or going down but it depends on the who and what is the weight , its not black and white as you would like to be , its like adding extra weight to racehorse , as soon as you change the playing field in such a way that it lowers the best of the opponent , then its a handicap , like I said at the start Pac aint doing this stuff for no reason .

[jrosales13]

You mean 2 give me's lol ,he didnt just get beat by Margo he got flogged by loaded gloves it was terrible beating both physically and mentally , and yes Roach did say " Cotto is damaged goods " but it must be at 145 just in case lol .

No, he was coming off 2 victories...I don't understand how hard is that to comprehend.

Ok glad you made point of that , can you find another fighter in history that CWS inside his own division , like for example a LW forcing a LW to a CW ? and then how can you claim p4p No1 under such a thing , its ludicrous .

Tell me when Pac made a guy in his weight-class where he campaign in fight at a catch-weight?

Oscar was 160 on the night with Floyd not 145 like his was with Pac , that would have made a huge difference in Oscar , huge difference in power speed and overall zing .
Cotto was fighting with no CW against Mosley I dont know what he weighed on the night but I guarantee you he would have been quite a bit different than with the CW and even more so pre the beating , but both together going into Pac , work it out .

How do you not know what Cotto was during Mosley but know what Oscar was against Floyd? Work it out.

Again your assuming based on the hype , of course the trainer and all concerned is not going to not harp on the weight because they have committed to it and must still sell the fight , just like JMM now , he wanted 140 but says its no problem now its 144 . thats the way the game goes , but the rumors of weight troubles with Margo were all around , what was that stuff they found in his dressing room .

No I'm not assuming anything. I'm going by someone reliable and it was after the fact not before it. The only one here that's assuming is you. What was it? Dressing room? Why would you need "that" after the weigh-in? Smart one, What are you to insinuate? SMH. Rumors, based from where? Show me there were any rumors about weight troubles.

Now to spin it the way you are by saying " because its a CW it means they are drained " well no it dont , not on face value , the fight when the performance is seen is the biggest guide , the snippets of weight trouble after the fact , and then the fact that Margo would not fight Cotto at 150 says he cant make it lol , and Cotto dont pay as much as Pac does , Cotto tried for the 150 because he knows its a red zone for Margo and he has a little political justification so to speak because Margo agreed to 150 for Pac .

He's fighting Cotto at 150. Your point? So he's going to be drained for Cotto too? And, what makes him drained again? Oh because it's a catch-weight.

The CW can hurt you both ways , going up or going down but it depends on the who and what is the weight , its not black and white as you would like to be , its like adding extra weight to racehorse , as soon as you change the playing field in such a way that it lowers the best of the opponent , then its a handicap , like I said at the start Pac aint doing this stuff for no reason .

Racehorse? STFU this is boxing....So you saying catch-weights hurts everybody....But, Pacquiao....

OK....

[Larrys Cellmate]

I believe Pacquiao has definitely made some improvements in skill over the last 3-4 years, but I don't believe all this 1 punch KO power in both hands, more accurate than Mayweather, his speed and footwork makes his defense better than Mayweather crap that the Filipinos believe...The guy is a great fighter and has made a few changes/improvements to his game, but this faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound crap that some people on here believe is just wrong...

[Jack Napier]

I believe Pacquiao has definitely made some improvements in skill over the last 3-4 years, but I don't believe all this 1 punch KO power in both hands, more accurate than Mayweather, his speed and footwork makes his defense better than Mayweather crap that the Filipinos believe...The guy is a great fighter and has made a few changes/improvements to his game, but this faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound crap that some people on here believe is just wrong...

who the fuck said they believed that? Strugg? Cung Le?

[hypodermical]

Pacfans believe the myth that he is a completely different fighter now, than he was then. When pressed on this issue, they often resort to the addition of the right hand as proof of his "evolution".

When anybody who's truly watched his career closely knows his right hand was there as early as the first Morales fight.

He's the same fighter he was then. Only bigger, and with more confidence and experience to draw upon.

Right... is that why every boxing analyst says Pac improved his boxing since the last JMM fight, specifically his right hand?

[lacson]

IMO fromstudying his fights

it seems to me that he is about the same fighter thatfought marquez the second time and david diaz at 135

it just that he looks great and dominates these bigger guys causee he has a great chhin and can take there punches and has the power of a middle weight plus the bigger guys cant see his punches comming

because of his chin and his power he doesnt hav those huge disavantages that a smaller fighter has when moving up

IMO he is definatey more seasioned now but its more of him haveing the right style to beat bigger guys than him improving significantly

guys like marquez and morales arep4p better fighters than the welters pac beat and they are able to handle his hand and foot speed were the big guys cant captalize on openings when pac lunges in and out with his attacks

if marquez wasnt 38 i would give him as much a chance as people did for the first two fights

and i think it will be a good fight even if pacs youth ultimatly stops marquez cause jmm is a warrior and his has the style and abilty to captalize on pacs mistakkes an counter him(even if heeventually gets blown out)

your guys thoughts??

It was during the Diaz fight that things fell into place, like going into a zone. He did mention that in his book. Going into a zone, everything synching together, his footwork, his punches, his feints. He doesn't have to think, his movements happen by instinct, he has an answer for what ever move the other guy has.

He goes into a zone like quarterbacks in football sometimes get, like they are in such a zone and everything synching that everything slows down for them and they see everything. This comes from experience and practice, doing things over and over that they become natural.

I don't think he added any more additional talents, he always had power, strength, stamina and speed. It was more suddenly mastering his art thru experience and practice. He uses in and out movements more and also feints. All these skills that he has developed has just been above and beyond anyone else's capability. Then you add that to his fearless attitude in the ring and he becomes unbeatable.

We'll see this on his coming fight with Marquez, I think he will just blow him out of there.

[Larrys Cellmate]

who the fuck said they believed that? Strugg? Cung Le?

haha D4thincarnation, puga, check_hooks and their ilk...close guess with STRUGG tho