Prime Roy Jones Jr>>>>>>> Prime Sugar Ray Robinson

[BoxingGenius27]

But part timers like richard hall, vinny pazienza after he broke his back in a car accident, otis grant, richard hall, eric harding, reggie johnson deserved a fight? LMAO

Yes, they did. They fought in the U.S. Again, Roy wasn't going to go overseas to fight those guys. Also it depends on what timeline you're talking about. A lot of those guys you mentioned stopped fighting before 1996. Roy didn't fight Hall, Harding, and Grant until the 2000's. I believe he fought Johnson in the late 90's and Paz in the mid 90's.

Every fighter has a gimme fight, which just happened to be Paz at the time for Jones. I believe that fight was on ESPN or something. Paz was making a comeback and he stepped up to the plate. Nothing wrong with that. Especially since Roy did what he was suppose to do and KO'd the guy in remarkable fashion.

[BoxingGenius27]

This guy was more dangerous than Chris Eubank LOL

Didn't Paz go on to beat Rosenblat for the title after this pic was taken?

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But didn't Robinson already lose in his prime?

he did to lamotta yes

jake even dropped him a few times in the fight but he was never knocked out, in his fight with maxim he had to quit or else he would die from the heat

[F l i c k e r]

are you saying that about srr??cause thats what they say about Jones

Hey, i'm just sayin. 132/132 isn't going to be atgs.

So if we wanna diss RJJ's record then let's be fair.

Just look at what JJC jr is doing. Should we acknowledge his astounding record of 45-0 at 25, at that rate he drops 100 guys by 30. I guess JCC jr is shaping up to be a magnificent atg.

[Danny Gunz]

Roy destroys Ray

[BoxingGenius27]

Roy is obviously alot more athletically gifted and skilled than Jake Lamotta.

On the other hand, Jake is alot more proven at the weight and brings different yet just as problematic things to the table that Ray Robinson would have a hard time with.

What was LaMotta bringing to the table that Roy wouldn't?

Well Maybe besides being a face first fighter. That wasn't a shot at LaMotta just sayin...

[IronDanHamza]

What was LaMotta bringing to the table that Roy wouldn't?

Well Maybe besides being a face first fighter. That wasn't a shot at LaMotta just sayin...

A great inside game, one of the greatest chins of all time, unhuman brute strength.

Not saying he brings more to the table than Roy. Just saying he brings different things to the table that are just as problematic for Ray as some of the things Roy brings to the table. Again, not saying he brings more.

I'm only saying this because you said 'Lamotta beat him so why can't Roy?', the fact is they are both ATG's and Lamotta specifically is a Top 10 ATG Middleweight so I think that's the wrong thing to use as a measuring stick.

[crold1]

Robinson was a prime killer by the time he was coming in around 54. Roy outgrew 54 by 91 (and was struggling with 60 by the time he got to Hopkins in 93). So, the best Rob vs. Roy before he even fought Vaca?

Yeah, think I'll take Ray.

[BoxingGenius27]

A great inside game, one of the greatest chins of all time, unhuman brute strength.

Not saying he brings more to the table than Roy. Just saying he brings different things to the table that are just as problematic for Ray as some of the things Roy brings to the table. Again, not saying he brings more.

I'm only saying this because you said 'Lamotta beat him so why can't Roy?', the fact is they are both ATG's and Lamotta specifically is a Top 10 ATG Middleweight so I think that's the wrong thing to use as a measuring stick.

LaMotta was a pretty good middleweight, yes. But Roy could compete with any of the ATG's in any weight class he fought in with the exception of HVWT.

Regarding the bolded above, Roy's inside game was better than LaMotta's because of Roy's speed and power while fighting inside at close distance. The only thing I think LaMotta has on Roy is a chin. But Roy made up for this flaw with his great defense and reflexes. In his prime, Roy had reflexes like Whitaker with power like Tyson/Shavers, and speed like Leonard. Also, I think Roy had a pretty good chin in his prime also. Up until the Tarver fight, Roy had only been down 1-2 times prior over 15 years.

In other words, anything Lamotta could do, Jones could do better. Because Jones was so physically gifted he didn't have to fight the style of a LaMotta. Not to say he couldn't if need be.

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Man people really overrate RJJ on this site. Most historians have RJJ just inside the top 50 or even out of the top 50 greatest fighters and you're sitting here saying in his prime that he was better than the consensus number 1 fighter ever to lace them up......