Prime Roy Jones Jr>>>>>>> Prime Sugar Ray Robinson

[BoxingGenius27]

benn, eubank, calzaghe (2002), hopkins rematch, Michalczewski, mclellan pre benn, steve collins


and don't even say "oh he would've beat those bums" because he never stepped up to the plate, he would rather fight part timers and a 5'6 light weight named vinny paz.

Off the top of my head, based on memory, Benn lost to Collins and Calzaghe wouldn't leave England. Also, Calzaghe didn't deserve a shot a Jones at that time because Jones had everything to lose with nothing to gain by beating Calzaghe in 2002. Joe C didn't officially arrive until he defeated Jeff Lacy.

Jones and McClellan were very good friends. Fighting Gerald wasn't an option for Roy.

The fight with Hopkins couldn't be made for years because of the financial dispute.

Not sure how you can call Benn, Eubanks, and Collins (European fighters) a threat to a prime Roy. At the time, European fighters weren't considered the most elite. It wasn't until recently, European fighters are getting credit for being good.

Regarding Michalczewski, that fight was never made because they couldn't find a common ground to fight. Roy wouldn't go overseas because he was the champ (rightfully so), and Dariuzs wouldn't come here.

[Barry Halls]

True, but is it a far fetched statement to say if Lamotta can do it, so can Roy?

lamotta and roy is about as far away from each others style you can get. I don't think you can gauge anything from the lamotta fights to interpret into a roy vs srr fight.

with that said, i personally give Roy every chance against srr even though srr is about 100x greater than roy.

[BoxingGenius27]

lamotta and roy is about as far away from each others style you can get. I don't think you can gauge anything from the lamotta fights to interpret into a roy vs srr fight.

with that said, i personally give Roy every chance against srr even though srr is about 100x greater than roy.

True they had different styles, but if you lost to your little brother (less talented), you're probably not going to beat your big brother (bigger and more talented).

Regarding the bolded text above, SRR had more wins, yes. But that doesn't necessarily make him the greater fighter. I think Roy was more brilliant in defeating his opponents than SRR. Some rate greatness on how fighters win> amount of wins.

[Forza]

So your excuse for roy flat ducking all those good fighters is " they were europeans"?

Pretty lame

[SplitSecond]

So your excuse for roy flat ducking all those good fighters is " they were europeans"?

Pretty lame

next you're gonna say toney ducked eubank and benn

no, roy didn't duck them euro boys

[BoxingGenius27]

So your excuse for roy flat ducking all those good fighters is " they were europeans"?

Pretty lame

They didn't deserve a fight with Roy. I think some weren't even in the same weight class as Roy and others wouldn't leave Europe to come to the U.S. Roy sure as heck wasn't going over there.

Before 1996, the only European that deserved a fight with Roy was Steve Collins. Collins lost to McCallum who was destroyed by Roy.

Point is, not only did they not deserve a shot a Jones, but they wouldn't even build a fan base in the states.

This definitely wasn't a matter of "ducking" as you put it.

[Barry Halls]

True they had different styles, but if you lost to your little brother (less talented), you're probably not going to beat your big brother (bigger and more talented).

Regarding the bolded text above, SRR had more wins, yes. But that doesn't necessarily make him the greater fighter. I think Roy was more brilliant in defeating his opponents than SRR. Some rate greatness on how fighters win> amount of wins.

i rate greatness on what a fighter accomplish.. Who he beat, at what weight, and when.

[BoxingGenius27]

So your excuse for roy flat ducking all those good fighters is " they were europeans"?

Pretty lame

Besides, if you don't give Jones credit for beating Toney and Hopkins, you sure as heck wouldn't give him credit for beating Benn, Eubanks or Collins lol

Point is, at the time, Roy had nothing to gain but everything to lose by fighting those guys.

[Forza]

They didn't deserve a fight with Roy.

But part timers like richard hall, vinny pazienza after he broke his back in a car accident, otis grant, richard hall, eric harding, reggie johnson deserved a fight? LMAO

[Forza]

This guy was more dangerous than Chris Eubank LOL