Prime Roy Jones Jr>>>>>>> Prime Sugar Ray Robinson

[BoxingGenius27]

Robinson was a prime killer by the time he was coming in around 54. Roy outgrew 54 by 91 (and was struggling with 60 by the time he got to Hopkins in 93). So, the best Rob vs. Roy before he even fought Vaca?

Yeah, think I'll take Ray.

But what fighter did Roy struggle with at 154 and 160?

[BoxingGenius27]

Man people really overrate RJJ on this site. Most historians have RJJ just inside the top 50 or even out of the top 50 greatest fighters and you're sitting here saying in his prime that he was better than the consensus number 1 fighter ever to lace them up......

You have to be 18 or 19 years old. You have too.

There's no such thing as overrating a prime Roy Jones Jr. He did things in the ring during his prime that can't be overrated. I'll just leave it at that.

[F l i c k e r]

Not really overrating him bro. More like bringing Ray into reality. Ray completely out-classed majority, if not, then all of his opponents in terms of skill. Roy was born with prodigal ability, natural attributes that far exceed Ray's, unlike any of Ray's opponents. I would say Ray is better skilled but a lot of the time, skill doesn't always pay bills when you have someone with the natural talents of Roy.

Not to mention Ray loses one of his key advantages.... he doesn't out-size Roy. Like how Ray did most of his opponents.

[GreatestIam]

Roy kills SRR with a vicious body shot, to big to fast superior...

[IronDanHamza]

LaMotta was a pretty good middleweight, yes. But Roy could compete with any of the ATG's in any weight class he fought in with the exception of HVWT.

Regarding the bolded above, Roy's inside game was better than LaMotta's because of Roy's speed and power while fighting inside at close distance. The only thing I think LaMotta has on Roy is a chin. But Roy made up for this flaw with his great defense and reflexes. In his prime, Roy had reflexes like Whitaker with power like Tyson/Shavers, and speed like Leonard. Also, I think Roy had a pretty good chin in his prime also. Up until the Tarver fight, Roy had only been down 1-2 times prior over 15 years.

In other words, anything Lamotta could do, Jones could do better. Because Jones was so physically gifted he didn't have to fight the style of a LaMotta. Not to say he couldn't if need be.

You can't honestly believe that Roy Jones Jr's inside game is as good as Jake Lamotta's, man.

I agree that Roy can do alot of things that Jake couldn't. But man, his inside game doesn't compare to Jake Lamotta's, at all.

That's obviously not a knock on Roy. Jake's inside game is up there with the best of them.

You don't think Lamotta has brute strength on Roy at MW? Lamotta was unhumanly strong. Literally freakishly strong. I struggle to see how Roy is as strong as Jake Lamotta.

Roy did have a pretty good chin in his prime, not bad at all.

Man, I just strongly disagree with that last statment. Roy could certainly do alot of things Jake couldn't. But, Roy can not do everything Jake can and better, just no way.

[crold1]

But what fighter did Roy struggle with at 154 and 160?

I was answering the initial question for 154. The idea of fighting Ray there is about as viable as people who talk about Evander Holyfield as a professional Light Heavyweight (actually, that one is worse but I digress). At 54, we're talking seasoned Ray versus novice Roy. That's a walk. Ray whips his ass, man v. boy style. Roy was still fighting a fake fighter (look it up) and guys so soft NBC declined to continue airing him. He fired his old man and ish got better.

As to struggles, Robinson didn't struggle much either considering he dominated most of the field, and a healthy crop of HOFers, over his first 130 or so fights and he fought a greater depth of fighters. I personally favor Ray in anything up to 160 because he was closer to his best there and Roy was still developing (and was complaining about making weight before Hopkins). Take away day before weigh ins and Roy is probably never a realistic Middleweight champ. Roy didn't really hit his peak until 168 and held it a long time through 75. Dude was pretty thickly muscled. He was genuinely a smallish Light Heavyweight, more logical in comparison to Ezz, Moore (who I've always thought he'd be hell for), and Conn.

The best ever Ray, at 47, and the best ever Roy, at 68, isn't a viable fight. If the Ray who fought Maxim tries Roy's 68 or 75 version, I might favor Roy.

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You have to be 18 or 19 years old. You have too.

There's no such thing as overrating a prime Roy Jones Jr. He did things in the ring during his prime that can't be overrated. I'll just leave it at that.

Yeah, there is and you guys are doing it. Roy Jones Jr. is overrated, especially if you are considering him the most gifted fighter in his prime of all time. I've been watching the sport since I can remember(90-91), I know Roy like Bernard Hopkins both have ****ty reigns.

[BoxingGenius27]

Yeah, there is and you guys are doing it. Roy Jones Jr. is overrated, especially if you are considering him the most gifted fighter in his prime of all time. I've been watching the sport since I can remember(90-91), I know Roy like Bernard Hopkins both have ****ty reigns.

hahaha See I knew it. I knew you were like 18 or 19, give or take a few years. Thanks for being honest though. Most guys would've tried to lie about something like that.

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hahaha See I knew it. I knew you were like 18 or 19. Thanks for being honest dude. Most guys would've tried to lie about something like that.

How am I 18 or 19 years old? I can't remember boxing when I was 2 or 3. I am 26 years old and remember watching boxing when I was 6 years old. Stop overrating Roy Jones and his average resume. That's why no one has him even as a top 30 fighter of all time despite having top 10-15 talent.

[F l i c k e r]

How am I 18 or 19 years old? I can't remember boxing when I was 2 or 3. I am 26 years old and remember watching boxing when I was 6 years old. Stop overrating Roy Jones and his average resume. That's why no one has him even as a top 30 fighter of all time despite having top 10-15 talent.

Do this. Get fight night. Simulate RJJ vs SRR use the hardest difficulty. CPU vs CPU. See who wins.