Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[bMak]

haha oops, I was already onto reading the next reply...my bad...

No doubt. I see Jack is holding his own though, he seems like a solid poster.

[bMak]

According to Forbes, we should also all be putting our funds in U..Treasury Bonds at 2.35% in which case, we'd all starve fairly quickly. Do they mean gross or nett. There can be a HUGE difference you know, and a guy who earned $60 mill last year (don't know from what since he fought only against Marquez) wouldn't need to be chased by the IRS for $7.5 mill. Not to mention his auto and other debts.

No disrespect, but what kind of thread is this where we can dispute Forbes, in regards to Mayweather's financial standing, but a poster named Don Miguel is the source as it pertains to Manny's financial stability? LMAO

[bMak]

LOL! Did you believed that? Floyd ducked too many fighters in his division that his words mean nothing but just an excuses just like why the Oscar rematch, Cotto and Margarito didn't materialize.

In other words, you'll pick and choose what to believe based on your position. Got it.

And that has to be the first time I've heard someone accuse Floyd of ducking Oscar. You're amazing.

[edgarg]

Under no circumstances does someone pay to see someone lose. This is a total fallacy that Mayweather haters like to use to try to explain his popularity. No one is going to fork out $60 to see someone lose. Using your logic, 2.4 million people paid $60 to see Mayweather lose to Oscar De La Hoya. Previously, Oscar's biggest PPV match was against Felix Trinidad (1.4 million PPV's sold) and Hopkins (1 million PPVs sold) and Mayweather's was against Gatti (450,000 PPVs). So Mayweather suddenly picked up another 1 milion fans against Oscar because people wanted to see him lose? And you are also telling me that 1.1 million people thought Mayweather would lose to Juan Manuel Marquez? Ridiculous. Nobody in their right mind thought Mayweather would lose to Marquez and when Marquez headlined a PPV, he could only sell 200,000 PPVs, so people damn sure weren't paying to see Marquez.

Mayweather is the biggest attraction in boxing because he does a great job of marketing himself and boxing fans like to see him perform in what they expect to be competitive matches.

I know from my own experiences that you are not correct. I lived in a very AntiSemitic country, Ireland. I fought regularly as an amateur in the National Stadium, where they now have all the big Pro fights, and I wore a Shield of David on my trunks. The fightgoers used to come to see "the dirty ***man" beaten, and the booing was so loud that sometimes the announcer had to ask for quiet.

I was always much smaller and lighter than my opponent but was VERY aggressive, with a strong left hand, so always (almost always) won. So, I must admit, at the end of the fight, there would be respectable applause. But before and during the fight it was not pretty.

[edgarg]

So are you Floyd's accountant?

Manny will never go broke. He invested his money in businesses. After he retires he will be in movies, TV and ads in PI.

How can someone that sings crap and still sold a million goes broke?

Arum recently pointed out, when the sum of $26 mill was mentioned, that this sounded very low, and that it must not be taking into account the huge amounts of land and other properties that MannyP. owns. He didn't mention the many business and musical interests, not the sponsorships.

[edgarg]

It doesn't matter to real fans. Just like it wasn't important for Floyd to fight for a belt when he beat Shane Mosley when Shane was the #1 WW.

You can call Manny Pacquiao the "Supreme Grandmaster Peasant of the Universe" for all I care.

You'll never convince a real boxing fan that a boxer became the #1 fighter in the world by exclusively fight 5th ranked fighters for that distinction.

You can claim that The Ring magazine, owned by Oscar DelaHoya and Golden Boy Promotions, has him ranked as #1, and it still makes no difference to real fans because we all know that Golden Boy makes 25% of EVERY promotion Pacquiao has. That was part of a settlement. So its a conflict of interests.

What it comes down to is who fought the top ranked champions when they were prime and coming off of wins.

Manny Pacquiao's last claim to that fame came in 2008 over Marquez, and even then real fans know that he didn't beat Marquez in either fight.

FYI Carlos Baldomir was coming off of a win over the #1 WW of the world when he fought Mayweather. Erik Morales was coming off of a one way boxing lesson loss at the hands of Zahir Raheem when Pacquiao beat him.

I know that you aren't that bright so I am doing my best to simplify this for you:

A win over a DEFENDING CHAMPION coming off of a win will always be seen as greater in value and glory than a win over a FORMER CHAMPION who is coming off of a loss in his VERY LAST FIGHT.

Hate it or love it ... FACTS are the MVP.

Ah reverend Brother, still not back to the monastery yet?? I'd like YOU to publish, for us ALL, the proof that Golden Balls gets 25% of MannyP.s purses.

I can tell you, because I have a very god memory, that you are just talking nonsense, and, as I accused you earlier, are making these stories up from either your imagination or your desire to tell a lie where truth won't have the effect you want.

Golden Balls LOST the case. Manny P was under contract to Top Rank and there was a clause where he was forbidden to even talk about gigning with any Promoter whilst that contract was still in force.......AND IT WAS!. To cut the whole thing short and save a ton in legal expenses, Top Rank agreed to give Golden Balls a very small %age of MannyP.s purses, (I think well under 5%), and allow them to take part in the promotion if and when MannyP. would fight a Golden Balls opponent. Arum won on all fronts. AS HE USUALLY DOES.

In the recent settlement of the steroids suit against Oscar and Golden Balls, you can be sure that the very first thing on Arum's list was that tiny %age, to which was undoubtedly added other undisclosed damages as well as all legal costs.

[edgarg]

Wow...this one really riled up the Pacquiao fanbase!

Well, I took 2 things away from this thread:

1.) Pacquiao "fans" really really hate Mayweather
2.) Freedom (and all his banned previous accounts) hasn't watched a round of boxing without his blowup Klitschko doll's balls in his mouth...Lloyd Ellerbe? WTF?

RachelB, if you are a woman-which I doubt- you should not be expressing yourself in such crude terms just to "keep up with the boys".

If, as I suspect, you are a guy, you should learn a bit more about boxing, and what's going on, before spewing your vulgar, irrelevant opinions onto the shoulders of an innocent group of boxing enthusiasts.

[edgarg]

What ? Those are FACTS !!
You tell me..... was Floyd willing to fight Cotto or Margarito ?

I'll wait for your answer !!

I was just looking up Carmen Basilio's record, and see that he won the RING Fighter of the Year Award 4 years IN A ROW, 1956-7-8-9.

[edgarg]

No disrespect, but what kind of thread is this where we can dispute Forbes, in regards to Mayweather's financial standing, but a poster named Don Miguel is the source as it pertains to Manny's financial stability? LMAO

Is that Don Miguel Forbes you're talking about? I hear he is on this site sometimes just to relax his mind and enjoy the low mental struggles.

Unless MannyP is leaking money like a sieve, he must have a lot more than $26mill. Even with all the money he donates to charitable causes in the Philippines and likely large amounts he put into his election exes, we're talking about just the amount that he should NETT from ONE fight. And, as he put it, in his whimsical response to a question, that he'd hardly have just bought a $9 mill house if..........

[edgarg]

No disrespect, but what kind of thread is this where we can dispute Forbes, in regards to Mayweather's financial standing, but a poster named Don Miguel is the source as it pertains to Manny's financial stability? LMAO

If you'd read my note a little more attentively, you'd see that I am NOT dis*****g Forbes, (who HAVE been advising folks to buy US Treasury Bonds as stated), but stating facts, and also an opinion, as well as asking a pertinent question about Mayweather's income for last year.

Rather I'm showing that the Forbes statement of Mayweather's income is incomplete and very ambiguous, to say the least, and, as I have not in fact seen this statement myself anyway, (but of COURSE accept it fully as it stands.........) put my post in the most decorous language.