Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[Brother Jay]

"The world is littered with weak minded fans"..... YES INDEED, and some of them...at least ONE, has had the temerity to lose his grip on that weak mind of his and rant away with the most ridiculous heap of balderdash and nincum******y that I've read for many a week. I DO see similiar every so often on these pages....maybe by the same guy under a different name.

I SAY, BROTHER JAY (no poetry intended) back...BACK to the monastery with you, to contemplate what a fool you make yourself out to be with your wild raving, and invented accusations of imaginary law and rule breaking. As well as an over grandiose image of a particular fighter who, if he wasn't hiding and avoiding the prosess server, would surely by now be in jail, or at least quite a few millions poorer.

So hoe your little cabbage patch, philosophise with Thomas Aquinas, and stop making a NOTICEABLE fool of yourself on these pages, although, goodness knows, it's done-to a lesser extent- on a regular basis. This is good advice I'm giving you.

Hahaha .. after reading you post, its become clear that your reply is more of a plea for me to stop using peasant asss as a prop in a game of kick the can than it is a boxing post.

Let me show you something, my weak minded subject:

It doesn't matter to real fans. Just like it wasn't important for Floyd to fight for a belt when he beat Shane Mosley when Shane was the #1 WW.

You can call Manny Pacquiao the "Supreme Grandmaster Peasant of the Universe" for all I care.

You'll never convince a real boxing fan that a boxer became the #1 fighter in the world by exclusively fight 5th ranked fighters for that distinction.

You can claim that The Ring magazine, owned by Oscar DelaHoya and Golden Boy Promotions, has him ranked as #1, and it still makes no difference to real fans because we all know that Golden Boy makes 25% of EVERY promotion Pacquiao has. That was part of a settlement. So its a conflict of interests.

What it comes down to is who fought the top ranked champions when they were prime and coming off of wins.

Manny Pacquiao's last claim to that fame came in 2008 over Marquez, and even then real fans know that he didn't beat Marquez in either fight.

FYI Carlos Baldomir was coming off of a win over the #1 WW of the world when he fought Mayweather. Erik Morales was coming off of a one way boxing lesson loss at the hands of Zahir Raheem when Pacquiao beat him.

I know that you aren't that bright so I am doing my best to simplify this for you:

A win over a DEFENDING CHAMPION coming off of a win will always be seen as greater in value and glory than a win over a FORMER CHAMPION who is coming off of a loss in his VERY LAST FIGHT.

Hate it or love it ... FACTS are the MVP.

If you could have, you would have refuted anything I wrote instead of arguing with your own petty opinions and bad taste.

Haven't you figured it out yet?

I leave peasants like you dumbfounded, impotent and without a logical leg to stand on. This is easily achieved when one party argues with facts and figures, and the other writes women-like editorials about their feelings and opinions and weak understanding of the subject matter. You have fallen to the level of tatangb45.

Good luck with that peasant, but I won't be wasting any more time on you or your foolishness. You are beneath me.

See me again when you have bettered yourself and your understanding of boxing.

[Mr. Philadel]

Team Mayweather and Team Pacquiao are some f-cking Divas.

It's because of the great fans on Boxingscene and around the world that made these guys who they are.

Who do they think make the PPV buys, Ratings on 24/7 or 360, and fights they put on successful?

It's the fans hard earned money that made these guys rich.
Nobody was gonna stop watching boxing because Mayweather got rich off us and decided to go on vacation.

We the fans made both their asses famous.
I'm sick of these two having their own little pissing contest.
Everything is a f-cking competition between them.

The one competition that we the fans really care about is not happening, and that is the fight.

green...great post!!!!

[Brother Jay]

Ah reverend Brother, still not back to the monastery yet?? I'd like YOU to publish, for us ALL, the proof that Golden Balls gets 25% of MannyP.s purses.

I can tell you, because I have a very god memory, that you are just talking nonsense, and, as I accused you earlier, are making these stories up from either your imagination or your desire to tell a lie where truth won't have the effect you want.

Golden Balls LOST the case. Manny P was under contract to Top Rank and there was a clause where he was forbidden to even talk about gigning with any Promoter whilst that contract was still in force.......AND IT WAS!. To cut the whole thing short and save a ton in legal expenses, Top Rank agreed to give Golden Balls a very small %age of MannyP.s purses, (I think well under 5%), and allow them to take part in the promotion if and when MannyP. would fight a Golden Balls opponent. Arum won on all fronts. AS HE USUALLY DOES.

In the recent settlement of the steroids suit against Oscar and Golden Balls, you can be sure that the very first thing on Arum's list was that tiny %age, to which was undoubtedly added other undisclosed damages as well as all legal costs.

I have no time for your foolishness, peasant.

http://www.boxing-articles.com/will-de-la-hoya-give-up-his-25-share-from-pacquiao-margarito/

[Brother Jay]

Team Mayweather and Team Pacquiao are some f-cking Divas.

It's because of the great fans on Boxingscene and around the world that made these guys who they are.

Who do they think make the PPV buys, Ratings on 24/7 or 360, and fights they put on successful?

It's the fans hard earned money that made these guys rich.
Nobody was gonna stop watching boxing because Mayweather got rich off us and decided to go on vacation.

We the fans made both their asses famous.
I'm sick of these two having their own little pissing contest.
Everything is a f-cking competition between them.

The one competition that we the fans really care about is not happening, and that is the fight.

Thing about it is, who ever gave you the idea that a sport was an election?

Does fan opinion affect trades? Does fan opinion affect salaries? Most sports don't give a damn about fan input or opinion. Baseball, basketball and football fans just support their TEAMS ... knowing that they have no input. Why should boxing be any different?

What makes you think that this is some ********ic process where the people can vote in outcomes and relevant factors within sports?

I understand your frustration, but what you wrote is tantamount to asking a police officer for a ride in his car across town because you're late for a meeting. When the officer replies "No", you then proceed to remind him that you pay his salary and that he should oblige your request.

Yeah, it sounds good in theory, but that's where it ends. Try that with a cop and see how far you get. Then apply what you learn from that experience to sports in general.

It guarantee that the experience itself will make everything crystal clear.

[DoomCity202]

This should be a quality match up.....a young Castillo like fighter

[DominiBox]

Which is the point I made. The DLH fight launched Manny to the top of the sport. And of course, regardless of how anyone feels about his opponents and stipulations, Manny has fought has ass off to protect his spot ever since. I don't see Ellerbe's comments as any slight to Pacquiao.

I just get the feeling that anything not 100% pro-Manny is perceived as an attack and we get a ton of overly-defensive posters stirring up shyt. Haven't been here long so my apologies if I lumped you in with that crowd, but it was pretty much the same story over at Doghouse.

Everythings Ok !!
Just telling it like it is, and so do you !!

[peplz]

MONEY ESCAPETH the FOOL, and with
Pac's Legal Men, the Bookies, and the IRS,
No Escape for the ATG, FOOL!!!

So Pacquiao's planning to make his fortune from sueing Mayweather? Thats pretty pathetic don't you think?

[peplz]

No it wasnt. Even if Floyd didnt retire, he would be avoiding the Cottos, and Margaritos of this world, and Pac would still be beating them.
So Pac is a greater fighter than Floyd because he beats more dangerous people than Floyd ever has.

Wow. This is revisionist history. Both fighters have been proven to be either a complete fraud (Margacheato) and the other completely shot (Cotto). Both fighters Floyd tried to make fights with when he was still with Bob Arum. Margarito was a nobody titleholder that no one knew anything about and Floyd had to choose between fighting him and Carlos Baldomir who was the Unified undisputed world welter weight champion. Floyd Mayweather wanted a guaranteed fight with Cotto if he were to fight Margarito and Bob Arum would and could not guarantee a fight with Cotto because Miguel Cotto's father (R.I.P.) seemed to feel that Cotto wasn't ready for him. Floyd has argued with Brian Kenney on ESPN about this on numerous occasions. So instead, he fought and beat Carlos Baldomir to become the Undisputed World Welterweight Champion and severed his business dealings with Bob Arum which lured Oscar De la Hoya into a fight. A blood feud between Arum and all things Mayweather ensued. There would be no Mayweather/De la Hoya fight if Floyd would not have left Top Rank. So anyone who thinks that Bob Arum, the guy who swore he would never do business of any kind with Mayweather again, was going to negotiate a fight between Mayweather and any of his fighters including Cotto and Margarito is obviously snorting moondust. As a matter of fact it was Bob Arum who first brought this whole notion of Floyd Mayweather ducking these two fighters to the media. And no one questioned the contradictory nature of a fight promoter claiming that a fighter that he promoted in the past who he openly holds a grudge against is ducking two of the fighters that he promotes at the present. Its the most obvious circus show director, snake oil salesman load of crap that people have ever believed. But, if it makes you feel better to believe the tales of a spin doctor then go right ahead and be my guest.

[edgarg]

Hahaha .. after reading you post, its become clear that your reply is more of a plea for me to stop using peasant asss as a prop in a game of kick the can than it is a boxing post.

Let me show you something, my weak minded subject:




If you could have, you would have refuted anything I wrote instead of arguing with your own petty opinions and bad taste.

Haven't you figured it out yet?

I leave peasants like you dumbfounded, impotent and without a logical leg to stand on. This is easily achieved when one party argues with facts and figures, and the other writes women-like editorials about their feelings and opinions and weak understanding of the subject matter. You have fallen to the level of tatangb45.

Good luck with that peasant, but I won't be wasting any more time on you or your foolishness. You are beneath me.

See me again when you have bettered yourself and your understanding of boxing.

Dear Brother, you seem to have a fixation about peasants, and an enormous monomaniacal upinion of your own capabilities, which is similiar to that of your lord and master, who, instead of asking your aid, is spending his energies avoiding the process server. You flatter yourself that you are such an expert on boxing, which is O.K. as no one else does, and you flatter me in your opinion (I take it as an opinion rather than a pronouncement of DOOM) that I know nothing. I think we're not talking about the same things.

Reverend Brother, I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever learn, which, since I have an excellent memory, and forget little...seems just about right. But when you learn that Boxing is first and foremost a BUSINESS, and promoters first and foremost PROMOTE, and that fighters first and foremost fight to make MONEY, we can always talk again. So keep hoeing your cabbages. You may find a few heads there which look familiar. But leave boxing to those who know.

You are not conducting a discussion on boxing, you are blaring put your dogmatic and absolute decisions on what is and what isn't. Except that you don't have it right. Why you don't have it right there is little use in telling you , since your genre don't listen. You spout.

[Ron_Simmons]

Boxing is always a revolving door. If a n*gga bounces, someone else will step in. Floyd could've kept fighting if he wanted to, but he bowed out and Pacquiao's style attracted audiences. Love him or hate him, you can't deny Pacquiao's overall public appeal, as you can't with Floyd's either.