Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[vinny2006]

Any fighter that fights consistantly and win will rise to great levels. Floyd simply doesn't fight enough top level fighters with consistantcy to rise to great levels lately. Shane slapped his ass in the last fight, Victor will whobble his ass in this up and coming fight and Manny is going to end Floyds career.

[edgarg]

Not true at all. Many people claimed Pac was lb 4 lb #1 as far back as 05-06.

http://www.***********.com/boxingfor...pound-1-a.html

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ound-for-pound

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/Benz_111906.htm

Floyd leaving just made it official, him coming back hasn't changed a damn thing.

Yes you are quite right. Larry Merchant was talking about him quite a while BEFORE he fought Barrera, saying that for Barrera to be the #1 he'd have to reckon with this kid Manny Pacquiao who's knocking everyone over with a killer left hand. That he'd probably come up in weight to fight someone like Barrera THEN....what happened?? He came up in weight and not only fought the Top featherweight in the world, regarded as virtually unbeatable, but beat him up in a way that shocked all boxing experts. From then on Manny P was a STAR and was being talked about as a possible P4P#1.

He had been a star in a lesser way before this fight, and I think, already a 2 time world champ with a string of regional title defences won in a dominating manner.

[edgarg]

O.J. didn't pay coz the amount awarded was too high and he didn't have it!!

25 November 2004 - The Independent
Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...es-534483.html
A defiant O J Simpson has vowed he will never pay the families of the murder victims Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman a penny of the $33.5m (£20m) damages they were awarded.

The former American football star-turned actor said in a television interview: "I've said this so many times ... If I have to work to pay them, I won't work. It's that simple. I'll just play golf every day."


The amount Pac will be awarded won't be higher than Floyd's net worth. SO UNLESS FLOYD DECIDES TO RETIRE FOR GOOD, HE WILL PAY IT. Remember according to Floyd, "he's his own boss", made "60 million for 2 fights", "got paid 1 million by Reebok for 3 weeks" and "owns 5 mansions"!!!

I actually thought that the amount awarded was $110 Mill, not $10 mil. Anyway, all his future earnings over a certain amount needed to live, are attached and I believe that he has been paying a certain amount since the verdict. I believe that he, like many others in like circumstance, tries to earn just enough for his needs, (and probably a bit under the table)That's the way these things go.

[PACsiwon]

mayweathers layoff doesnt help pacquiao, its just simply shows that how floyd mayweather afraid of pacquiao. he knows that pacquiao is coming and he knows that pacquiao will go after him, he`s just afraid of facing pacquiao and thats the reality....

[bMak]

Ok... let's see that. Play this at 2:30...forget the jokes of the vid and focus on Floyd's words.



Conclusions i've drawn ?

Yes. You're implying Floyd was scared to fight Cotto. That being your stance, it comes as no surprise you'd choose this particular version of the video. Granted, Floyd's statement wasn't well thought out, but you can't definitively say fear was his motivation.

Now please, before you run any more diversions, go back and explain to me what part of this you're disagreeing with:

This, naturally, will incite plenty of ignorance, but I'm not sure why. It's true.

Floyd retiring when he did, leaving the DLH rematch and rumored Hatton rematch on the table, allowed Pacquiao to fight those guys. Manny went on and dominated, thus propelling his rise to superstardom and adding to his legend. Then he fought Cotto, a guy many wanted to see Floyd fight.

Yes, Floyd leaving boxing when he did is what opened the door for Manny.

[edgarg]

My personal opinion is that the I Hate Mayweather media and fans overhyped Cotto, Margarito, and aging (notice word aging) Mosley so they legitimize their ridiculous claims that Mayweather was ducking top competition. Nothing else justifies either of these guys ever being on a P4P list.

And when I say fan, I'm referring to Mayweather's consumer base. A large percentage of those who order Mayweather fights or buy a ticket to his events are their to see him lose. Like Buddy Rogers said, "Whether they come to see me win or lose, its still five bucks in the seat."

Ah do you remember "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers?? I assume you ARE talking about that terrific wrestler, not the Big Band singer who also was named Buddy Rogers, and had a big name in his field.

[MindBat]

pac's rise is something floyd's camp did not expect to happen. but now that it happened they're now cramming to try to put pac down by all means...even unleashing a horde of *****s to flood and troll internet forums with their non-stop pac hating topics and threads.

In the infamous words of Manny Pacquiao: "Uuuuuuuuuummmm ..."


Before Floyd retired the first time they held Manny back at Jr Welter.

After Floyd announced his retirement they moved Manny up to Welter.

When Floyd announced his return Manny's been ducking his worst nightmare ...

[Jack Napier]

well, Oscar snubbed Floyd, so Floyd retired
Oscar ducked Tony and cherrypicked Pac
Pac destroyed and retired Oscar
so in a way, Floyd's absence did help Pac

[bMak]

well, Oscar snubbed Floyd, so Floyd retired
Oscar ducked Tony and cherrypicked Pac
Pac destroyed and retired Oscar
so in a way, Floyd's absence did help Pac

It absolutely did. The only part you have wrong is Oscar snubbing Floyd. Floyd actually walked away from the rematch.

When that happened, boxing needed a megafight. A few guys in the industry, most notably Larry Merchant, suggested Manny. They were thought to be crazy at first. Turns out, it was a great idea and Pacquiao hasn't looked back since.

If Floyd sticks around and fights Oscar again in 2008, would Manny have ever went up to 147?

[Jack Napier]

It absolutely did. The only part you have wrong is Oscar snubbing Floyd. Floyd actually walked away from the rematch.

When that happened, boxing needed a megafight. A few guys in the industry, most notably Larry Merchant, suggested Manny. They were thought to be crazy at first. Turns out, it was a great idea and Pacquiao hasn't looked back since.

If Floyd sticks around and fights Oscar again in 2008, would Manny have ever went up to 147?

Oscar was game for the rematch
but Floyd thought winning the 1st one would give him leverage
he wanted more money, and Oscar told him to fuck off
had Floyd stayed and fought Oscar, Pac woulda stayed at LW
he was set to fight Valero or Soto until Oscar pulled him up
had he stayed, Pac-JMM 3 woulda happened in 09