Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[straightleft]

Agreed. I am a fan of both fighters,but in floyds absence pacman was able to achieve what he did and get to where he is because of this. Not taking anything away from pac,but his last real fight and test was against marquez...the rest of his fights are tailored made to make him look good.

If Floyd did not fake his retirement and vacations, Pac will be added earlier to the long list Floyd ducked fighters (Oscar rematch, younger prime Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao). In the end, it may one or two of them able to beat him ending Floyd's career instead but he is clever and coward. He let them fought to each other and when the dust has settled down he popped from nowhere, fought a lightweight who he weight cheated, fought a rusty old welterweight and now a junior welterweight.

[bMak]

Oscar was game for the rematch
but Floyd thought winning the 1st one would give him leverage
he wanted more money, and Oscar told him to fuck off
had Floyd stayed and fought Oscar, Pac woulda stayed at LW
he was set to fight Valero or Soto until Oscar pulled him up
had he stayed, Pac-JMM 3 woulda happened in 09

The real answer is that there is no definitive answer as to how things may have played out. My guess is it would've been unlikely we'd have seen a welterweight Manny Pacquiao, at least not until much further down the road, had Floyd fought Oscar.

Not for nothing, as logical as you scenario for the Oscar-Floyd rematch sounds, how do you have any idea how true any of that is?

[bMak]

If Floyd did not fake his retirement and vacations, Pac will be added earlier to the long list Floyd ducked fighters (Oscar rematch, younger prime Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao). In the end, it may one or two of them able to beat him ending Floyd's career instead but he is clever and coward. He let them fought to each other and when the dust has settled down he popped from nowhere, fought a lightweight who he weight cheated, fought a rusty old welterweight and now a junior welterweight.

Would Floyd have been ducking a jr. lightweight, or did you know all along that Manny would skip two weight classes up to 147 in 2008?

[Jack Napier]

The real answer is that there is no definitive answer as to how things may have played out. My guess is it would've been unlikely we'd have seen a welterweight Manny Pacquiao, at least not until much further down the road, had Floyd fought Oscar.

Not for nothing, as logical as you scenario for the Oscar-Floyd rematch sounds, how do you have any idea how true any of that is?

it's documented
Floyd gave Oscar everything he wanted the 1st time
he knew by winning, he'd become the shot caller next time
Oscar fought Forbes at 150 as his tuneup
think the rematch was gonna be at 147 by Floyd's request
he wanted it there after going up for Oscar the last time
but Oscar wasn't caving in to the money Floyd wanted
he knew he had another megafight waiting for him in Cotto
he snubed Floyd, so Floyd got pissed and retired
Cotto got KTFO by Tony, ruining Oscar's plans
sure as hell wasn't gonna fight Tony, so he chose Pac
Oscar fucked with the wrong LW midget :laugh:

[indystress]

pacquiao would still be where he is now...with or without the frauds layoffs.
and to the guy that said pac hasnt fought anyone since marquez...what a bunch of b/s...so fighting two of the TOP 5 welterweights at that time were nobodys? and margarito isnt a slouch also...margarito would beat berto or most of the top welterweights or jr middleweights.

[bMak]

pacquiao would still be where he is now...with or without the frauds layoffs.
and to the guy that said pac hasnt fought anyone since marquez...what a bunch of b/s...so fighting two of the TOP 5 welterweights at that time were nobodys? and margarito isnt a slouch also...margarito would beat berto or most of the top welterweights or jr middleweights.

Interestingly enough, the guy you call "Fraud" has fought the number 2 rated welterweight in the world in consecutive fights.

[bMak]

it's documented
Floyd gave Oscar everything he wanted the 1st time
he knew by winning, he'd become the shot caller next time
Oscar fought Forbes at 150 as his tuneup
think the rematch was gonna be at 147 by Floyd's request
he wanted it there after going up for Oscar the last time
but Oscar wasn't caving in to the money Floyd wanted
he knew he had another megafight waiting for him in Cotto
he snubed Floyd, so Floyd got pissed and retired
Cotto got KTFO by Tony, ruining Oscar's plans
sure as hell wasn't gonna fight Tony, so he chose Pac
Oscar fucked with the wrong LW midget :laugh:

Where? I've followed boxing forever and write on-and-off, but I'd never heard much on why Floyd decided to just walk away from the fight.

I remember Oscar wanting Cotto, granted he won the Margarito fight which he didn't obviously, but I'd never heard what caused Floyd to walk away from the fight.

[Everywhere]

Interestingly enough, the guy you call "Fraud" has fought the number 2 rated welterweight in the world in consecutive fights.

Jack Napier might be a *******, but he isn't one of these ******ed non-fans with KFC avatars talking about "Fraud Gayweather"....the guy knows his stuff, even if he is *******ed.

[edgarg]

Its unfair to Mayweather in a the sense that he never recieves credit for beating anyone. But its very fair to him in the sense that he created this guy they love to hate persona and has made a lot of money because of it.

I don't believe he created this "guy they live to hate". I believe that such behaviour as he displays comes naturally to him since he comes from a completely ***********al family. He has a thug mentality, but happens to have a boxing gift and a greedy nature.

The person he displays himself to be is the person he really is, and he glory's in it. No normal person, even if trying to create a mythical monster personality woudl burn $100 bills, or throw them around, or like last month, promise a few thousand to a really needy dying Gennaro Hernandez, but never give it. If he was decent person, just pretending to be a thug, he'd have made sure that Hernandez was not short of anything, especially since he had a special relationship to him in that he was the first champion who's title he won.

But it was only after he died, we found out that Bob Arum (the one everyone loves to hate and vilify) had been quietly having him brought to his regular chemotherapy sessions, and had been paying for them all, for years, as well as keeping the Hernandez family.

No, Mayweather is what he shows himself to be, a loathsome personality, and NO EXAMPLE for anyone to follow.

[viperz007]

and who would have floyd fought if he wasnt on vacation while ducking those threats?

if floyd wasnt in vacation i think he would have fought like 2-3 fighters coming from lightweight, and 2-3 in their 60's