Who has a better defense? Locche or Mayweather?

[jrosales13]

Oscar fought the who's who, the toughest of the tough and the fights people wanted to see. Even when moving up to middleweight, Oscar took on the toughest big MW in Bernard Hopkins. Even if he did lose, he trained hard and took the fight.

I don't think it's really debatable as to who has a superior resumes between Oscar and Pacquiao, especially in coming up. Pacquiao had his biggest challenges at 126 and 130... Since leaving 130 he really hasn't taken on a challenging fight. I guess some could argue that Cotto was risky.... Watch old Cotto's fight, even back as far as his pro debut, then watch him on the night he fought Pacquiao... No speed, no crispness in his punches and no defense... On paper and to the average fan it was risky, but was it really?

One thing nobody can take about Oscar is he always fought the top guys when they were at the TOP OF THEIR GAME. Obviously Whitaker and Chavez were not, but that was when he was very green.. In his prime he fought the best from 140-160.

What you said about Cotto you can say the same thing for Vargas and Quartey but whatever.

Oscar cherrypicked Oscar the only thing different is that he wasn't good enough to win his cherrypicked fights.

You said Oscar was in his prime at 140-160 but then say he was not only green but "very green" when he fought Whitaker and JCC? Yea OK...

Oscar did a great job in fooling people. One of the biggest frauds ever. And, resume/accomplishment as in wins. No Oscar is not over Pacquiao.

[IronDanHamza]

This may be seen as controversial but I not only believe Floyd Mayweather Jr belongs in the same sentance as Pep, Whitaker and Locche but i personally think Mayweather Jr's defense is better than Locches. JMO.

However, obviously debatable.

[joseph5620]

he comes off like a ***** so i called him a *****...what's hypocritical about that? if he didn't get butthurt i won't call him one.
i wasn't yet born when locche fought so my knowledge about him are based on youtube videos and yeah boxrec....what's yours?



lol so your opinion is just like that of jro? nice one mr. copycat

That demonstrates how limited you are.You just exposed yourself with that comment. Ever read a book? lol I wasn't born when Locche fought either and I don't make statements about fighters I don't know much about like you just did. If you're going by boxrec to analyze the fighters style, then yes, you don't know what you're talking about. When it comes to any fighter.



And yes I agree with Jrosales concerning where he ranks Locche defensively because I actually know something about Locche.. I'm not guessing, or going by how many KO's Locche had to determine what type of defense he had (like you did).

[brick wall]

That demonstrates how limited you are.You just exposed yourself with that comment. Ever read a book? lol I wasn't born when Locche fought either and I don't make statements about fighters I don't know much about like you just did. If you're going by boxrec to analyze the fighters style, then yes you don't know what you're talking about. When it comes to any fighter.



And yes I agree with Jrosales concerning where he ranks Locche defensively because I actually know something about Locche.. I'm not guessing, or going by how many KO's Locche had to determine what type of defense he had (like you did).

you're full of bull****. you keep on saying you know something about him but where is it? type it down mother****er of shut up. stealing somebody's opinion doesn't make you know something. i already posted earlier in this thread about why i thought he has a better defense before i mentioned his records and some posts actually jive with mine. you're just witchhunting that's why you're concentrating on what i said about his boxrec. look at my other post moron.

i know that locche's a hall of famer and he fought four hof'ers or more than floyd did. the only sure bet hof'ers in floyd's resume so far is dela hoya and shane...and he fought them when they're already past their primes. locche fought the likes of carlos ortiz, ismael laguna and cervantes in their primes or at their younger boxing age.

[Walt Liquor]

***n a, 3 times I've tried to write this post.

brick shouldn't have jumped in with the ***** comment and i knew he was in for it when he used the boxrec reference.

i know he's seen some locche as he was in another thread about locche a couple days ago. i think brick is a good poster.

i know carlos is.

i was really enjoying a mature conversation about floyd without a bunch of morons jumping in and then not responding to my points.

great thread so far. i just don't see me and carlos agreeing on floyd's comp. i've been on floyd's ass for years, really since he was talking all that shi t around the sosa fight about being the best and blah blah, and he goes to fight the mandatory to gatti's title. that's when i knew he was no longer after glory/legacy.

regardless of what people thought the time of ali, he fought hof'ers in their prime. floyd has not- and we're not talking borderline guys like corrales with ali. there is no comparison.

locche, while he has a scroll of south american nobodies on his resume, he does have a win over a bonafide hof guy. a very inpressive one at that

[CarlosG815]

What you said about Cotto you can say the same thing for Vargas and Quartey but whatever.

Oscar cherrypicked Oscar the only thing different is that he wasn't good enough to win his cherrypicked fights.

You said Oscar was in his prime at 140-160 but then say he was not only green but "very green" when he fought Whitaker and JCC? Yea OK...

Oscar did a great job in fooling people. One of the biggest frauds ever. And, resume/accomplishment as in wins. No Oscar is not over Pacquiao.

Pretty bold statements there. Not sure how you can say all that with a straight face. Oscar was never than impressive to me as a lightweight, and it wasn't until he went up in weight that he showed how great he really was. When he had fought Chavez he had just moved up, and again with Whitaker in moving to 147 and winning his title.

I really don't know what else to say about this post. You have this opinion of Oscar, yet you hold Pacquiao in the highest regard. I can't think of any reason how you could believe these things unless you yourself are a Pinoy and have a strong loyalty to Manny Pacquiao.

[Steak]

Stay in your lane little man. I'v forgotten more about the sport of boxing then you'll ever know.

you must have already forgotten it all then, because most of your posts are misinformed and biased as hell.

[JM1]

Stay in your lane little man. I'v forgotten more about the sport of boxing then you'll ever know.

you contributed nothing to this thread you stup!d ugly ***. try again

[JM1]

the *******s are gonna say lochhe so i have a better thread topic who is the most accomplished boxer in multiple weighclasses de la hoya or pacquiao..... i pick de la hoya.

idiot. a lot of posters who voted locche arent *******s. dont floyd mayweather have a website? does it have a forum? cause if it does, i say you dwell there with your ***** friends and have an orgy

[Kagami Taiga]

aside from the obvious *******s (not brick, i dont think what he said was too off base just a little uninformed), this is a great thread. getting some good insight on a lot of things.

i would note that the ppl who say locche relied on his reflexes more that technical skills, i dont see that. his style is very technical. hes no rjj, thats for sure. sure he has god given talent, but even if he didnt spend his whole career devoted to the sport a la floyd, u can tell that at least at one time, he worked his ass off to develop those god given talents. his abilities are sublime.