Who has a better defense? Locche or Mayweather?

[jrosales13]

the *******s are gonna say lochhe so i have a better thread topic who is the most accomplished boxer in multiple weighclasses de la hoya or pacquiao..... i pick de la hoya.

I say Pac>Oscar.

[RubenSonny]

he comes off like a ***** so i called him a *****...what's hypocritical about that? if he didn't get butthurt i won't call him one.
i wasn't yet born when locche fought so my knowledge about him are based on youtube videos and yeah boxrec....what's yours?



lol so your opinion is just like that of jro? nice one mr. copycat

That doesn't have much to do with it though, I doubt theres many posters who saw Locche during his day, theres some pretty good footage of him you can find online and its not hard to research his opponents, you made a statement with no basis but KO ratio. It seems you can't comprehend many things and you exposed yourself as a fool.

[pbftxrs316]

locche is one of the very best defensive fighters boxing has ever seen period--had you of asked me this 10 years ago, locche would have been imo, but seeing how floyd's defense throughout the weight classes he's fought at changed and become more polished, it's him imo--i have never seen a fighter with as much intuition as floyd in history---no fighter has had a more versatile defense as floyd--he is he greatest defensive fighter i have ever seen--it's crazy how he can drop you while making you miss a punch---cough* sosa cough*-lol

just his fights with jmm, baldomir, sosa, bruselles, corley--i mean those are just some---floyd is so smooth with his defense--

[brick wall]

That doesn't have much to do with it though, I doubt theres many posters who saw Locche during his day, theres some pretty good footage of him you can find online and its not hard to research his opponents, you made a statement with no basis but KO ratio. It seems you can't comprehend many things and you exposed yourself as a fool.

shut up dummy...i had an earlier post in this thread where i explained why i think locche's defense is better than floyd based on those youtube videos. look it up before you open your stinky mouth. and i never claimed i know a lot about him but it doesn't mean i can't give an opinion.

you're just another butthurt fan who diss at posts not in favor of your idol. had it been in favor of floyd it wouldn't have mattered to you if i have a basis or not. that's how pathetic you are.

[CarlosG815]

shut up dummy...i had an earlier post in this thread where i explained why i think locche's defense is better than floyd based on those youtube videos. look it up before you open your stinky mouth. and i never claimed i know a lot about him but it doesn't mean i can't give an opinion.

you're just another butthurt fan who diss at posts not in favor of your idol. had it been in favor of floyd it wouldn't have mattered to you if i have a basis or not. that's how pathetic you are.

You have been backed up to a wall and are being called out by reputable posters who have a knowledge of the history of the sport, and Locche in particular, something you know nothing about. Now you are resorting to calling everybody a *****, saying people are getting butthurt, and that they are dummy's.... The best thing for you to do would probably be to just walk away from this thread. You've put in your 2 cents and we know where you stand - even if it is on 2 broken legs, as you know nothing of Locche as I had thought from the beginning.

I am not butthurt or at all bothered by comments about Floyd. I stated my opinion, and Walt and I were having a discussion. Then you butt your nose in and jump to Locches defense simply because you hate Floyd and not because of what you know of Locche which is typical of a hater. You have not made a solid case for your statements and you are being called out for it, so just walk away.

[CarlosG815]

here's the post, which you did not respond to.

every fight for floyd post castillo except for mosley (and oscar for obvious reasons) has been against a guy that was not the best guy around at that time- period.

We will have to agree to disagree about that, my friend...

[CarlosG815]

I say Pac>Oscar.

Oscar fought the who's who, the toughest of the tough and the fights people wanted to see. Even when moving up to middleweight, Oscar took on the toughest big MW in Bernard Hopkins. Even if he did lose, he trained hard and took the fight.

I don't think it's really debatable as to who has a superior resumes between Oscar and Pacquiao, especially in coming up. Pacquiao had his biggest challenges at 126 and 130... Since leaving 130 he really hasn't taken on a challenging fight. I guess some could argue that Cotto was risky.... Watch old Cotto's fight, even back as far as his pro debut, then watch him on the night he fought Pacquiao... No speed, no crispness in his punches and no defense... On paper and to the average fan it was risky, but was it really?

One thing nobody can take about Oscar is he always fought the top guys when they were at the TOP OF THEIR GAME. Obviously Whitaker and Chavez were not, but that was when he was very green.. In his prime he fought the best from 140-160.

[brick wall]

You have been backed up to a wall and are being called out by reputable posters who have a knowledge of the history of the sport, and Locche in particular, something you know nothing about. Now you are resorting to calling everybody a *****, saying people are getting butthurt, and that they are dummy's.... The best thing for you to do would probably be to just walk away from this thread. You've put in your 2 cents and we know where you stand - even if it is on 2 broken legs, as you know nothing of Locche as I had thought from the beginning.

I am not butthurt or at all bothered by comments about Floyd. I stated my opinion, and Walt and I were having a discussion. Then you butt your nose in and jump to Locches defense simply because you hate Floyd and not because of what you know of Locche which is typical of a hater. You have not made a solid case for your statements and you are being called out for it, so just walk away.

i actually almost have a similar opinion opinion with walt for your info and i posted before him. that's when you began labelling people as hater just because they voted for locche. so obviously you're the hater not me.

locche has better reflexes and more slippery than floyd. when it comes to pure defense locche's better.
floyd's more crafty though by using tactics like clinching, holding and pushing, and even his elbows to sort out his opponents.

locche also uses less borderline tactics than fmj, fmj is forever using the elbow to push off and create space, locche used more upperbody movement and footwork.

and we're nitpicking here. floyd is a defensive genius, locche is a defensive wizard.

[CarlosG815]

i actually almost have a similar opinion opinion with walt for your info and i posted before him. that's when you began labelling people as hater just because they voted for locche. so obviously you're the hater not me.

Again, you are too dense to realize I did not call him a hater until he started to pick the biggest names on Floyd's resume and downtalk the fighters. Just get it.

[brick wall]

Again, you are too dense to realize I did not call him a hater until he started to pick the biggest names on Floyd's resume and downtalk the fighters. Just get it.

because you made a sweeping generalization moron. you quoted one poster and your reply was about haters. and even if you read walt's post again he did not really say floyd's opposition is weak but you got riled up for no reason.

excellent post sg. i'm not so sure floyd is better at blocking/parrying, but his traps and always being in position to counter makes him a better technician. his use of his shoulder and elbow to dictate real estate between his opponent and his sense of timing make him a greater technician. but not a better defensive fighter.

then you have the component of who did what against who, which would be a never ending debate.

that's the post you quoted and highlighted. i can't see the connection of that with what you referred to as haters.