Who has a better defense? Locche or Mayweather?

[Steak]

again I reinterate: How else did Locche win? He had no offense, was unathletic, and was a chain smoker. Hell, some of his fights he used to smoke inbetween rounds. He wasnt a fast guy either, his defense was NOT based around natural speedy reflexes, this was a guy that could interpret the moves of his opponent and make them miss.

You tell me when Mayweather beat one of the best fighters of all time in their weight class in a shutout using virtually nothing but defense.
Or perhaps show me a fight where he made a lineal reigning champ quit simply out of frustration and exhaustion of misses punches over and over.

Mayweather is clearly the better fighter overall. no doubt. and would win if they theoreticaly fought. and also one of the best defensive fighters in the history of the sport.
But Locche, like his nickname, is untouchable in this catagory. the guy was something else.

[CarlosG815]

again I reinterate: How else did Locche win? He had no offense, was unathletic, and was a chain smoker. Hell, some of his fights he used to smoke inbetween rounds. He wasnt a fast guy either, his defense was NOT based around natural speedy reflexes, this was a guy that could interpret the moves of his opponent and make them miss.

You tell me when Mayweather beat one of the best fighters of all time in their weight class in a shutout using virtually nothing but defense.
Or perhaps show me a fight where he made a lineal reigning champ quit simply out of frustration and exhaustion of misses punches over and over.

Mayweather is clearly the better fighter overall. no doubt. and would win if they theoreticaly fought. and also one of the best defensive fighters in the history of the sport.
But Locche, like his nickname, is untouchable in this catagory. the guy was something else.

Not sure what fights you have been watching but he had incredible reflexes and he did use them. What do you see when you watch him fight?? I am puzzled.

[Champ Is Here]

Know nothing about this man except 2 losses by the age of 25

[JM1]

again I reinterate: How else did Locche win? He had no offense, was unathletic, and was a chain smoker. Hell, some of his fights he used to smoke inbetween rounds. He wasnt a fast guy either, his defense was NOT based around natural speedy reflexes, this was a guy that could interpret the moves of his opponent and make them miss.

You tell me when Mayweather beat one of the best fighters of all time in their weight class in a shutout using virtually nothing but defense.
Or perhaps show me a fight where he made a lineal reigning champ quit simply out of frustration and exhaustion of misses punches over and over.

Mayweather is clearly the better fighter overall. no doubt. and would win if they theoreticaly fought. and also one of the best defensive fighters in the history of the sport.
But Locche, like his nickname, is untouchable in this catagory. the guy was something else.

what the hell? are you serious when you say that locche SMOKED in between rds??

[CarlosG815]

what the hell? are you serious when you say that locche SMOKED in between rds??

Before he became champion he would smoke between rounds....

[JM1]

blackirish, carlos

the first time i saw locches vids my first reaction was he had great reflexes but at the same time had a great technique. i say its both

[Check]

IMO, Floyd is the third greatest defensive fighter. Just behind Pep and SP. What is special about Floyds defense though is it sets up a pretty solid offense.

[Steak]

what the hell? are you serious when you say that locche SMOKED in between rds??

yep, I dont think it was high profile, but its documented somewhere.

Not sure what fights you have been watching but he had incredible reflexes and he did use them. What do you see when you watch him fight?? I am puzzled.

I see him reading his opponents and interpreting what punches theyre going to throw before they throw them. His reflexes were good, sure, but the guy was not a fast individual in general physically.

Speed of mind? yes.
Speed of body? not as much.

Physical advantages and mental ones are two seperate things to me, and I think Locche primarily used mostly mental.

[Kagami Taiga]

blackirish, carlos

the first time i saw locches vids my first reaction was he had great reflexes but at the same time had a great technique. i say its both

he definitely has technique. theres no doubt about it, he rolls punches, he steps just out of range so that even if he does get hit, he doesnt take the full force of these punches. thats all technique.

[joseph5620]

Not sure what fights you have been watching but he had incredible reflexes and he did use them. What do you see when you watch him fight?? I am puzzled.

I agree. Obviously he had to have some technique. But the way he frequently dropped his hands and slipped punches just by moving his head required incredible reflexes. Otherwise he would have gotten his head knocked off. It always a mixture of both but Mayweather seems more technical than fighters like Locche, Whitaker, or Pep. Especially as he's gotten older.