"CATCHWEIGHTS" will they hurt pacman's legacy

[Ray*]

Depends if another fighter shows up and done the samething without restrictions, If another young fighters comes up in 10 years then goes through the weight and fight the champs without any catchweight then Pac's catchweights might be looked upon in a shady way.

[Jim Tom]

manny is a great fighter, no doubt.. but all these ****** catchweight fights, are redicioulous. and i really dont see how any pacquiao fan can support his catchweight fights

will his catchweight fights, hurt his overall legacy when he retires from boxing.. or not

Anyone can look great fighting against a starved fighter who isnt allowed to hydrate to a certain weight

[dan-b]

No, fighting two catchweight fights in a 16 year 56 fight career will not harm his legacy when you take into account the rest of his achievements. People need to get over catchweights/alphabet straps etc.

[straightleft]

Well if we look at these people discrediting whatever Pacs moves or next move are no other than Floyd fans club. Anyway, one more thing is very clear Pacs legacy >>> Floyd legacy. No matter how these *****s discrediting Pacman legacy, their efforts are futile!

[IronDanHamza]

Nope, no one will remember. All they will remember is he was a 8 division champion, this is what i have a problem with, i dont have an issue with the catchweights themselves, i have an issue hes not only winning titles at catchweights but hes making history with them.

[puga]

Armstrong never fought at catchweight. When he fought for the Welterweight title, his opponents were allowed to weigh anything they liked up to 147. When he fought for the Middleweight title his opponent was allowed to weight up to 160.

Of course it will hurt Manny's legacy, but it won't prevent him being considered a top 50 ATG.

Welterweight champion Henry Armstrong was obliged to weigh in seven pounds under the division limit for his scheduled 12-rounder with lightweight champion Lew Jenkins. This was no problem for Armstrong, a featherweight champion who was small for a welterweight. Armstrong came in at 139 pounds, while Jenkins was just a half-pound over the lightweight limit of 135.

[Dave Rado]

Depends if another fighter shows up and done the samething without restrictions, If another young fighters comes up in 10 years then goes through the weight and fight the champs without any catchweight then Pac's catchweights might be looked upon in a shady way.

The point is that the comparisons with Henry Armstrong will never be taken seriously because of the catchweights. It won't stop him being regarded as a top 50 ATG, maybe not even as a top 20 ATG, but it will prevent him from ever being regarded as a top 10 ATG.

[Dave Rado]

Welterweight champion Henry Armstrong was obliged to weigh in seven pounds under the division limit for his scheduled 12-rounder with lightweight champion Lew Jenkins. This was no problem for Armstrong, a featherweight champion who was small for a welterweight. Armstrong came in at 139 pounds, while Jenkins was just a half-pound over the lightweight limit of 135.

No title was at stake in that fight.

When Armstrong fought Barney Ross for the Welterweight title, Armstrong weighed 133½ and Ross was able to weigh anything up to 147. In Armstrong's next fight, he defended his Lightweight title and weighed 134. No catchweight. He never asked anyone to come in lower than the divisional limit for any title fight.

[Pacquiao'd]

This was started even before this fight by the Floyd fans.

All Manny did was ask Cotto to come down 2lbs(1lb lower than Cotto's previous fight) and Floyd fans picked it up from there.

In all honesty, does anyone think that it would have made any difference in that fight?


Oh, and if you look it up, many of Floyd fans complained that Manny should have agreed on a catchweight with Eric Morales ..... maybe 132 instead of 130 ..... because Morales required to come down too much ... but that didn't make sense because it was for a title fight where the limit was 130!

if it didnt make a difference, the fight would have been at 147. roach has said numerous times that a certain weught gives manny the advantage and puts the oppoent at a disadvantage. so it makes a big difference....sheep

[Dave Rado]

if it didnt make a difference, the fight would have been at 147. roach has said numerous times that a certain weught gives manny the advantage and puts the oppoent at a disadvantage. so it makes a big difference....sheep

In practice, it's hard to believe that Cotto was weight drained as a result of losing 1lb compared with his previous fight, and he didn't look weight drained in the fight itself. And it's hard to believe Marg will be weight drained at 150 when he was fighting at 147 only two fights ago. Nevertheless, catchweights in title fights are bullshit, and the titles Pac won in those fights are not going to be given much credence by boxing historians - and the catchweight with Cotto is the primary reason that Mayweather is ranked above Pac at Welterweight now. So it will definitely harm Pac's legacy, but not massively.

Roach did Pac no favours by insisting on catchweights for those fights, as I really don't think the results would have been much different if he hadn't, but the fights would have meant far more for his legacy if there hadn't been a catchweight.

Where we agree though is with a modified version of what you said:

If it didn't make a difference, the fight should have been at 147.

If it didn't make a difference, there was no reason whatsoever to have the bullshit catchweight, and it just harmed Pac's legacy for no reason. And as you say, there will always be a question mark over whether Cotto and Marg could have performed better without the pressure of making a lower weight, and while it's unlikely to have made much difference in practice, the question mark is enough reason to validly harm Pac's legacy.