"CATCHWEIGHTS" will they hurt pacman's legacy

[JDezi4]

oh and for the record

Margarito and his team do not see this as having to be less than 154lbs

they see this as being allowed 3lbs over welterweight so those meals he had to watch he really doesn't

if Manny and Freddie thought this was a smart move in reality they should have asked for welter because Tony would have been willing to

now he doesn't have to and he is on a good track for his weight

Anything to get that cheap 8th title...

Honest question: How many Catchweight fights has Floyd been in, and r u counting Marquez becuz technically he was the one that was suppose to cut-weight. As oppose to Manny's opponent having to cut-weight.

Now that I think about it, Manny's been in one. So u must be...

[Dave Rado]

it di'dnt hurt henry arsmtrong's....

Armstrong never fought at catchweight. When he fought for the Welterweight title, his opponents were allowed to weigh anything they liked up to 147. When he fought for the Middleweight title his opponent was allowed to weight up to 160.

Of course it will hurt Manny's legacy, but it won't prevent him being considered a top 50 ATG.

[Dave Rado]

oh and for the record

Margarito and his team do not see this as having to be less than 154lbs

they see this as being allowed 3lbs over welterweight so those meals he had to watch he really doesn't

if Manny and Freddie thought this was a smart move in reality they should have asked for welter because Tony would have been willing to

now he doesn't have to and he is on a good track for his weight

The point is that Manny cannot be considered a bone fide Jr Middleweight champion if he wins this fight. As a match-up it's okay but as a title fight it's bullshit. Same goes for the Cotto fight, which is why Mayweather is now ranked above Pacquiao at Welterweight.

[Dave Rado]

Oscar De La Hoya vs Bernard Hopkins: Middleweight Title fight (w/ 158lb Catchweight)

Donny Lalonde vs Sugar Ray Leonard for Super Middle and Light Heavyweight title (Lalonde was not allowed to weigh over 168, yet his Light Heavy title was on the line)

Bottom Line: How has this effected any of these fighters' legacies?

They are both considered bullshit title fights by the boxing historians. But those fighters' legacies didn't depend in any way on those particular fights. De La Hoya lost to Hopkins. SRL is an ATG because of his fights prior to LaLonde. He gets no credit whatsoever from the boxing historians as a Light Heavyweight champion, because it was a bullshit title fight - and LaLonde was seriously weight drained.

[Dave Rado]

it kinda of does IMO it puts an asterisk next to his claim to fame (8 belts in 8 division) and it really makes what he did post Diaz fight less impressive

His much more meaningful claim to fame is four lineal titles in four divisions, and those were not catchweight fights. No one has ever achieved that before him.

[Dave Rado]

This article by Cliff Rold says it all.

Everyone who loves boxing should read it.

Pac should have read it.

[straightleft]

We can all manipulate the facts to suit your own argument. Floyd fought Oscar at JMW without a catchweight.

What manipulate you talking about? That is fact! Pacs catchweight fight are more honorable than Floyd manipulative catchweight fights.
He should fought (140) Hatton at 144 or 145 and (135) JMM at 142-143 to level the playing field. Now not only he asked them to come at his comfort zone but adding more salt to injuries he cheated JMM at the scale!

[straightleft]

Anything to get that cheap 8th title...

Honest question: How many Catchweight fights has Floyd been in, and r u counting Marquez becuz technically he was the one that was suppose to cut-weight. As oppose to Manny's opponent having to cut-weight.

Now that I think about it, Manny's been in one. So u must be...

lol! Floyd should do what Cotto and Margarito did like a real man. Leveling the field for the smaller man. Floyd as coward as he is did not do that to Hatton and JMM instead he cheated JMM some more. Did you know that Pac fought Oscar at 147 and did very well in that weight but like a real man. He moved down to Hattons best weight and fought him there which is 140? FLOYD got me no credit when he beat Hatton as HE DID THE OPPOSITE by asking Hatton to move up to his advantage while Pac moved down to his disadvantage to level the playing field! What a man!

[JDezi4]

lol! Floyd should do what Cotto and Margarito did like a real man. Leveling the field for the smaller man. Floyd as coward as he is did not do that to Hatton and JMM instead he cheated JMM some more. Did you know that Pac fought Oscar at 147 and did very well in that weight but like a real man. He moved down to Hattons best weight which is 140? FLOYD DID THE OPPOSITE! What a man!

The difference is, Floyd felt better at 146... So he manned up and chose not to drop down cuz he understand catchweights r bullshyt. Cotto weighed in at 146 and got his ass beat. So than now he has to weigh 145, that makes sense.

When u think about it, Floyd could have made Hatton fight him at 154... So he's lucky.

[straightleft]

The difference is, Floyd felt better at 146... So he manned up and chose not to drop down cuz he understand catchweights r bullshyt. Cotto weighed in at 146 and got his ass beat. So than now he has to weigh 145, that makes sense.

When u think about it, Floyd could have made Hatton fight him at 154... So he's lucky.

lol! still defending the obviously cowardice moves. He asked 135 JMM to fight at 143 catchweight fight so their contract stated. You know what? your honorable man did not honor their contract and came as full welterweight against the old fat lightweight JMM! Defend that pusssy moved at all cost. We are not blind!