"CATCHWEIGHTS" will they hurt pacman's legacy

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    #51
    when have you ever seen cottos body ripped, in anu other fights like it was in the pac fight? that should tell you everything. look at his face during the weigh in. dude looked dry.

    cotto doesnt have the body type that looks ripped when hes in shape. he looks alittle soft when in shapr. not rock hard. he was drained. 1lb.makes a bigger dofference than you think

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    • Dave Rado
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      #52
      Originally posted by yesir
      when have you ever seen cottos body ripped, in anu other fights like it was in the pac fight? that should tell you everything. look at his face during the weigh in. dude looked dry.

      cotto doesnt have the body type that looks ripped when hes in shape. he looks alittle soft when in shapr. not rock hard. he was drained. 1lb.makes a bigger dofference than you think
      I'm not at all convinced by what you say. Cotto didn't fight like he was weight drained, and if you compare Pac-Clottey with Cotto-Clottey, there's no reason not to think Pac is able to perform at that level at Welterweight without a catchweight.

      But as I say, there is and will always be slight question mark because it was a catchweight, and catchweights in title fights are always bullshit in any case. So as to it harming Pac's legacy, yes it will, but not massively.

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      • ALG United
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        #53
        Originally posted by Jakutindi Wauya
        Anyone can look great fighting against a starved fighter who isnt allowed to hydrate to a certain weight
        Your a ****** boy, there is a catchweight but there was no restrictions in rehydrating, Cotto was weigh in 145lbs. but rehydrated back to almost 160lbs on fight night, that's almost 15lbs. which is quite normal for Miguel in all of his fights, while Manny was only 148lbs. on fight night. And with Margarito the catchweight will benefit him more since he is actually a career WW, in fight night he might just balloon up into 165-168lbs. while Manny might fight him at 153lbs...

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          #54
          Originally posted by puga
          it di'dnt hurt henry arsmtrong's....
          What are you talking about?

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            #55
            Originally posted by JDezi4
            Anything to get that cheap 8th title...

            Honest question: How many Catchweight fights has Floyd been in, and r u counting Marquez becuz technically he was the one that was suppose to cut-weight. As oppose to Manny's opponent having to cut-weight.

            Now that I think about it, Manny's been in one. So u must be...
            well the title thing sucks and he has now done it twice so you will not get an argument from me.

            sorry but Mayweather vs JMM was indeed a catchweight fight whether you like it or not and ........a catchweight Mayweather didn't honor

            and I must be what?

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            • Eaner0919
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              #56
              Originally posted by Dave Rado
              The point is that Manny cannot be considered a bone fide Jr Middleweight champion if he wins this fight. As a match-up it's okay but as a title fight it's bullshit. Same goes for the Cotto fight, which is why Mayweather is now ranked above Pacquiao at Welterweight.
              no one said that on here

              they asked if it hurts his legacy

              no

              no one will remember what he made fighters go through they will remember his performance in those fights

              not saying it's right to have title fights where the participants are not allowed the comfort of having the actual weight limit allotted to them. In fact, I argued that the Cotto fight was BS simply because it became for Cotto's title and Cotto had no choice in the matter

              so

              catchweight fights= okay if they make fights we want to see happen AND the do not disadvantage the participants too adversly

              catchweight title fights= a convenient way to pick up titles undeservingly

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              • jpunieves
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                #57
                catchweights provide discipline for both boxers. though i must admit pac is at the advantage in this category.

                a catch weight will provide both boxers a perfect target weight. i have said it in a post that doing so will reduce the chances of fights not happening because one boxer weighs ABOVE the limit.

                150/151 will just make it a welterweight with extra pounds bonus. that is a plus for margarito. so-so minus for pac with this being his heaviest.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by yesir
                  when have you ever seen cottos body ripped, in anu other fights like it was in the pac fight? that should tell you everything. look at his face during the weigh in. dude looked dry.

                  cotto doesnt have the body type that looks ripped when hes in shape. he looks alittle soft when in shapr. not rock hard. he was drained. 1lb.makes a bigger dofference than you think
                  um






                  doesnt seem to be all that different

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                  • Eaner0919
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by jpunieves
                    catchweights provide discipline for both boxers. though i must admit pac is at the advantage in this category.

                    a catch weight will provide both boxers a perfect target weight. i have said it in a post that doing so will reduce the chances of fights not happening because one boxer weighs ABOVE the limit.

                    150/151 will just make it a welterweight with extra pounds bonus. that is a plus for margarito. so-so minus for pac with this being his heaviest.
                    that's the way Tony and the team are looking at it

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                      #60
                      I think it will hurt his legacy, if you care what boxing historians have to say. But i agree, that most casual boxing fans, especially the young are not going to really understand the catch weights at least not all, untill they look at his career closely.

                      In every boxers career when they get looked at closely as pac will one day be looked at, he will be judged for the catch weights and for the morales lose and marquez draws.

                      In the future years after pac retires you wont be able to talk about pac without mentioning marquez and morales and barrera.

                      If marg wins, the catch weight thing wont be such a big deal because it would have proved why he keeps fighting at catch weight and this time a fighter at catch weight wasn't effectd by the weight, but we'll see.

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