David Haye was never "undisputed" cruiserweight champion, he ducked Steve Cunningham

[D-MiZe]

Tbf Enzo was very much a product of the Warren hype machine. I think it's fair to say that he's a bit crap retrospectively considering what we've seen since and during the actual fight with Haye


Except Audley Harrison lol

Sprott disagrees and retrospect is a wonderful thing.

Enzo was never that great, but he certainly had the power to hurt Haye.

[-PANDA-]

if haye wouldve fought Wlodarczyk and Cunningham instead of mormeck or macca we'd be having this discussion about them

haye could fight anyone and tunney would still ***** on him

hell if haye actually manned up and found a way to beat one of the klitschkos tunney still wouldnt give him credit, his body shots would have been low blows and his hooks will all have landed behind the head

a man who spends his day bumping articles from over 2 years ago and makes countless threads about the same person is either obsessed or has a case of an inferiority complex

[D-MiZe]

if haye wouldve fought Wlodarczyk and Cunningham instead of mormeck or macca we'd be having this discussion about them

haye could fight anyone and tunney would still ***** on him

hell if haye actually manned up and found a way to beat one of the klitschkos tunney still wouldnt give him credit, his body shots would have been low blows and his hooks will all have landed behind the head

a man who spends his day bumping articles from over 2 years ago and makes countless threads about the same person is either obsessed or has a case of an inferiority complex

Demise thinks you're right.

[Dave Rado]

Nothing is risk-free in the HW division.

Valuev and Ruiz were very low-risk fights. Fighting Audley would a lot less risky than crossing the street. Sure, if he shuts his eyes, stands still, and sticks his chin out then even Audley could knock him out. But he's unlikely to be ****** enough to do that.

Adamek doesn't have a big punch, and Arreola is too slow to catch him unless he stands still, so in comparison with either Klitschko, those would also be very low risk opponents.

On a scale of 1 to 100, where the risk involved in fighting the Klitschkos is set at 100, Audley would have a risk factor of 1, Arreola of 10, and Adamek of 20.

[Clint650]

mormeck wasn't "shot".. give him some credit, he beat Bell in the rematch. Maccrinelli had a china chin but still had power, he's shot now, but it was a big fight in the UK, first time we had an all british unification in a while.

Haye would have KO'd Cunningham. He had too much speed and power. Cunningham didn't have much power, Haye had a suspect chin but i think Haye would have got to Cunningham first.

Wlod wasn't in Haye's league.

Haye unified and moved up in weight, deal with it. He was ranked as undisputed champ, end of.

i agree. Haye was and still is a monster. just cause he has yet to step in the ring with the Bros. he still would give anyone else in the heavyweight division hell. Cunningham is good, but Haye had a huge power advantage over him at cruiserweight . add the speed, and there wasnt anyone there who would have beaten him except for Adamek, but we just might get to see the two fight in the next year if were lucky.

[Bhopreign]

Valuev and Ruiz were very low-risk fights. Fighting Audley would a lot less risky than crossing the street. Sure, if he shuts his eyes, stands still, and sticks his chin out then even Audley could knock him out. But he's unlikely to be ****** enough to do that.

Adamek doesn't have a big punch, and Arreola is too slow to catch him unless he stands still, so in comparison with either Klitschko, those would also be very low risk opponents.

On a scale of 1 to 100, where the risk involved in fighting the Klitschkos is set at 100, Audley would have a risk factor of 1, Arreola of 10, and Adamek of 20.

If youre talking about Haye, we already know he's chinny.

[Dave Rado]

If youre talking about Haye, we already know he's chinny.

So what? ...

[joe strong]

I think hayes is turning into a clown more & more but he's got don king with 2 options. Along with saurland so there is always the chance king/saur force him to take on chagaev(#1 WBA)& audley in England...back to the thread...I own 17 haye fights & he really struggled to make weight for his last 6 or 7 fights...he always said that as soon as he won a cw title he'd move up.the only reason he even fought enzo was it was huge in England,great payday,& an easy fight to earn another title.adsmek vs haye would be great but I think adamek could beat him as for Cunningham I think his chin would not take a David punch.

[PittyPat]

Nothing is risk-free in the HW division.

I wouldn't give Phil Mitchell much chance against Haye, since Mr. Blobby already went ground n' pound on his arse.

[-Swizzy-]

David Haye always says he was the "undisputed" cruiserweight champion.

But he had only TWO world title fights at that weight.

The first was against the fading Jean Marc Mormeck, who was shot after his two wars with O'Neil Bell.

The second was against the paper champion, delicate-chinned Enzo Maccarinelli, who had been previously KOed by the low-level clubfighter Swaby.

He never fought the best PRIME cruiserweights at that time:

1. The IBF Champion, Steve Cunningham, who has a style that Haye wouldn't have been able to deal with.

2. Tough and skillful Tomasz Adamek.

3. Hard-punching and durable Krzysztof Wlodarczyk, who is a year younger than Haye and has never been stopped.

David Haye is a fraud.

its the cruiserweight division. no one has an impressive resume in that division.

he fought the best while he was there and he was killing himself to make weight.

Adamek was nothing when Haye left that division and everyone pretty much deemed a matchup with Cunningham as an automatic win for Haye(which it would have been). No point in that matchup.

Haye didn't duck anyone in that division.