David Haye was never "undisputed" cruiserweight champion, he ducked Steve Cunningham

[rizkybizness]

haye would have and still would wreck cunningham's chin

he's good and all but his achille's heel cannot be denied

[JK1700]

Why can't you read my prior post properly?

Did you miss the part where I called Lee Swaby ' mighty '? I was being so sarcastic in my other post, to the point where it was blatantly obvious. If you want to talk about David Haye, then I'm up for that.

But the discussion is one that has been posted many times before.

Haye's playing games with both brothers, keeping his options open. He won't fight Wlad or Vitali unless the reward is big enough, so until he gets a big enough reward he's going to sit back.

Realistically Haye should've fought Wlad a year ago, on the 20th June 2009. But he didn't and since then he's had to fight other fighters to build up a name in the UK. He's now a PPV fighter, where as before he was on Setanta.

I was referring to your post, Stricty the part where you said "David Haye doesnt duck durable fighters". I consider the Klitschko's to be durable fighters and it's blatantly obvious to everyone that he is ducking them.

The "reward" excuse is complete bull****, Haye was offered a 50-50 deal with no future stipulations and rejected it. What does he expect? 60-40? When he has 1 belt and Wladimir has 3. Hardly anyone outside of the U.K has even heard of David Haye, He made his name by talking about the Klitschko's instead of fighting them.

He has had 2 fights on Sky, They both did good numbers in the U.K but not great numbers by any means. Especially when you compare them with the amount of people that watch the Klitschko's in Germany and Europe. Haye cannot possibly ask for more than 50-50 so if he is holding out for even more money then he is being totally unrealistic. He doesnt deserve it.

Back in 2009 he was acting as if he would fight them for free but it's obvious that this was never his intention. Calling them out, talking about fighting them, putting their heads on t-shirts. It was all a big publicity stunt by Haye to try and make himself more popular and to his credit it worked, He became more popular. But right now he looks like a major ***** because he turned down a 50-50 deal. Which to me proved he has no interest in the fight.

[D-MiZe]

Haye needs money.

The guy isn't going to fight for legacy, he fought Ruiz and Valuev to get his name out there in the UK. He could spend the rest of his career fighting sub-par fighters who seem to be ATG after Sky has finished hyping them up.

Chances are his last fight will be against a Klitschko.

I forgot about Haye-Klitschko a year ago after his fight with Wlad fell through. There really is no point bother with this fight until it actually happens.

[Hitman932]

The guy isn't going to fight for legacy, he fought Ruiz and Valuev to get his name out there in the UK. He could spend the rest of his career fighting sub-par fighters who seem to be ATG after Sky has finished hyping them up.

Translation: British Fans love paying to watch **** fights as long as a Brit wins.

[Dave Rado]

But to be UNDISPUTED you must have ALL the belts.

Most ridiculous post I ever saw. To be undisputed you need to be the lineal champion (which usually equates to the Ring champion) - and that's it. The alphabet belts are completely irrelevant. It's impossible to hold all the belts at once, because one or other of the alphabets always strip you before it can happen. And it's even more impossible to hold on to multiple alphabet belts for long, because of the number of mandatories that would be involved. And because the alphabet organisations are so corrupt, and their rankings are so meaningless, you can own an alphabet title without even being a top 10 fighter (according to any of the credible independent rankings) these days; so owning an alphabet belt means absolutely zilch, other than commercially.

There is only one exception I can think of to the lineal = undisputed equivalency, which was the Light Heavyweight mess during and following Roy Jones's reign. He was the undisputed Light Heavyweight champion and The Ring's champion, but he was not the lineal champion, for complex reasons. But he never held all the belts either, and he was as undisputed as anyone ever has been. (The lineal champion during Roy's reign was Dariusz Michalczewski, because he beat Virgil Hill when he was the lineal champion).

Are you seriously arguing that Mayweather has to beat Vyacheslav Senchenko before he can be considered the undisputed Welterweight champion? Senchenko is only ranked #9 by The Ring, #7 by boxingscene, #10 by espn, and #8 by boxrec. No credible rankings body considers him to be a top 5 fighter but you honestly think Floyd won't be regarded as the undisputed champion unless he fights him??? To quote John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.

[catalinul]

Mormech was the undisputed champ.

Haye beat him.So he ecame the undisputed champ.

[Dave Rado]

Haye needs wants easy and risk-free money.

The guy isn't going to fight for legacy, he fought Ruiz and Valuev to get his name out there in the UK. He could spend the rest of his career fighting sub-par fighters who seem to be ATG after Sky has finished hyping them up.

Chances are his last fight will be against a Klitschko.

I forgot about Haye-Klitschko a year ago after his fight with Wlad fell through. There really is no point bother with this fight Haye until it unless this fight actually happens.

Fixed it for you. And if it ever does happen, which I don't regard as a certainty, real boxing fans will be rooting for the Klitschkos, whereas a year ago or even this year, most of them would have rooted for Haye.

Haye is a multi-millionaire. He is already in the top 0.1% of boxers in terms of lifetime earnings. Trying to pretend that he's some sort of pauper living hand to mouth, who needed to turn down a 50/50 deal with Wlad in order to be able to keep the wolves from the door, is just hilarious. He doesn't need the money. He's just given up being a boxer first, businessman second, which he used to be, and has become addicted to making risk-free money above anything else, and no longer gives a damn about the sport of boxing. As a result, he has lost all of his fans, apart from a few nationalistic acolytes. Ironically, that is likely to damage his long term earning power.

[Jack Napier]

he was because he beat the undisputed champion
Haye had some balls at CW
wonder what happened

[-PANDA-]

Enzo was always a bum. Do you know how he won the WBO title? By fighting for a vacant title against a clubfighter he'd already beaten.

A clubfighter with a losing record, Lee Swaby, who fights Matt Skelton today, KOed Maccarinelli.

Haye needed to cheat to beat Mormeck. The Frenchman knocked him down, and Haye was hurt and about to be stopped when he landed a hard ILLEGAL rabbit punch to the center of the back of Mormeck's head.

and wlad was beaten by ross purity early in his career, does that taint his record? not to me it doesnt, cuz he bounced back just like macca did

panda thinks haye is a ***** too but its really pathetic to downplay solid wins at CW

haye couldnt even make cruisweight before he fought mormeck, he had said so numerous times, thats why he tested the waters against a journeyman in bonin

it wasnt until frank warren openly wrote a letter which was posted here on boxingscene titled: " why haye will never fight maccarinelli" and he lost 20 lbs to make that fight happen too

[Sweet Jesus]

delicate-chinned Enzo Maccarinelli, who had been previously KOed by the low-level clubfighter Swaby.

delicate-chinned Wladimir Klitschko, who had been previously KOed by the low-level clubfighter Purrity.