David Haye was never "undisputed" cruiserweight champion, he ducked Steve Cunningham

[Mikhnienko]

Sprott disagrees and retrospect is a wonderful thing.

Enzo was never that great, but he certainly had the power to hurt Haye.

Over 168lbs who doesn't.

Valuev and Ruiz were very low-risk fights. Fighting Audley would a lot less risky than crossing the street. Sure, if he shuts his eyes, stands still, and sticks his chin out then even Audley could knock him out. But he's unlikely to be ****** enough to do that.

Adamek doesn't have a big punch, and Arreola is too slow to catch him unless he stands still, so in comparison with either Klitschko, those would also be very low risk opponents.

On a scale of 1 to 100, where the risk involved in fighting the Klitschkos is set at 100, Audley would have a risk factor of 1, Arreola of 10, and Adamek of 20.

He has very good CW power and sure as hell could shatter Hayes jaw.

Haye never even defended his titles.

Adamek accomplished as much in a little over 1 year at CW what took Haye his whole career.

Bell Cunningham Banks is equally impressive as Mormeck Macca Fragomeni Gurov

[Mikhnienko]

Also for all the people acting like Haye deserves respect for "stepping up" to HW:

Chagaev
Ibragimov
Povetkin
Boytsov
Chambers
Sosnowski
Oquendo
Bakhtov

are all around the same size as Haye and every single one of them is shorter than him. He deserves 0 credit for being at HW seeing as he should have already been there.

[Mikhnienko]

buuuuuuuuump

[The Hammer]

Also for all the people acting like Haye deserves respect for "stepping up" to HW:

Chagaev
Ibragimov
Povetkin
Boytsov
Chambers
Sosnowski
Oquendo
Bakhtov

are all around the same size as Haye and every single one of them is shorter than him. He deserves 0 credit for being at HW seeing as he should have already been there.

Haye is a natural heavyweight who hid at cruiserweight for years because he couldn't take a heavyweight punch.

At cruiserweight, he fought even smaller men, such as super-middleweight Lolenga Mock.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...7134&cat=boxer

[The Hammer]

Haye is still boasting he won all the belts at cruiserweight.

[£-4-£]

Tunney I think you've misunderstood Haye.

Haye was the Lineal Champ at CW after beating Enzo and Mormeck, he also held 3 of the 4 major belts. That's not "undisputed" because he didn't have all 4 belts, but there's no doubt that he was the most dominant champ at CW at the time.

The British media and public are pretty crap when it comes to boxing knowledge. They don't understand that you need all 4 titles to truly be undisputed. Haye knew this and used this to his advantage. He hyped himself up by proclaiming himself as the "undisputed Cruiserweight champion of the World". And it worked. In Britain he's considered undisputed champ even though technically he wasn't. He was lineal champion though so he was certainly top of the pile at Cruiserweight at the time, so you really can't have any complaints.

[The Hammer]

Tunney I think you've misunderstood Haye.

Haye was the Lineal Champ at CW after beating Enzo and Mormeck, he also held 3 of the 4 major belts. That's not "undisputed" because he didn't have all 4 belts, but there's no doubt that he was the most dominant champ at CW at the time.

The British media and public are pretty crap when it comes to boxing knowledge. They don't understand that you need all 4 titles to truly be undisputed. Haye knew this and used this to his advantage. He hyped himself up by proclaiming himself as the "undisputed Cruiserweight champion of the World". And it worked. In Britain he's considered undisputed champ even though technically he wasn't. He was lineal champion though so he was certainly top of the pile at Cruiserweight at the time, so you really can't have any complaints.

Look at today's article about Haye saying he'll eliminate both klitschkos in 2011.

Haye says he had "ALL" the cruiserweight belts, and he says he was "undisputed" cruiserweight champion.

But that's a lie, he ducked the slick Steve Cunningham.

[£-4-£]

Look at today's article about Haye saying he'll eliminate both klitschkos in 2011.

Haye says he had "ALL" the cruiserweight belts, and he says he was "undisputed" cruiserweight champion.

But that's a lie, he ducked the slick Steve Cunningham.

He didn't duck him though!

He didn't need to fight him. He wanted to move up to HW anyways. He said he'd retire in 2011, so it's not like time is on his side anyway if he plans on sticking to his retirement plans.

[The_Demon]

I know you have a strong dislike for haye,but he didnt duck cunningham

[The Hammer]

I know you have a strong dislike for haye,but he didnt duck cunningham

Cunningham called Haye out after he defeated Huck to successfully defend the IBF title in late 2007.

After that, Haye chose to fight the china-chinned Enzo over the obviously more talented Cunningham.

Haye ducked him again after the Maccarinelli fight:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159923&highlight=Cunningham+Haye