Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[b-hop21183]

I agree - and look for Zab to suffer some shocking KO's late in his career.

let's not compare zab and roy, he's already been ko'd.

[Neuraxis]

You see the rematch when Jones was fired up??!!

Yeah that's why I said that was one of his three best wins. The official Griffin excuse though is that he was rushed and didn't get time to warm up.

[The Fix]

Sanders, Jirov, Benn, McClellan, Jackson, Michalczewski, Nunn, Rocchigiani to name a few.

And I really don't understand why Toney and McCallum are always listed as two of Jones's best wins. Toney lost to Griffin in his next fight. Hell Griffin beat him twice and he beat Jones once. Yes Jones fans it was a loss. Going into 9th round he was behind on 2 of the scorecards and ahead on one. The scores were 76-75, 75-77, and 75-76. The DQ punch was clearly uncalled for, and the punch that hurt Griffin to begin with was also illegal. The previous KD was hardly legit as well as Jones basically jumping into Griffin caused the KD. Tenacious Drake Thazdi also beat him. Nunn was also on his way to a very one sided decision before Toney caught him. McCallum was nearly 40 years old. Tiozzo beat him two fights before Jones did as well. IMO his best wins are Hopkins, Griffin II, and Hill.

Samders? why did sanders deserve a shot at roy? roy jones only had one fight at heavyweight. why not ask roy jones to fight the klits as well

jirov doesnt deserve anything, he has proved that in the big fights he chokes and again roy jones is not a heavy or a cruiser

roy jones was going to fight nigel benn but that fight was soon cancelled because benn lost to thulane malinga whom roy jones later fought and beat instead.

cant blame jones for not fighting mcclellan, you can blame the ref in his g-mans loss to benn for that.

jones didnt fight jackson because imo people would have blamed roy jones for fight mcclellan's left overs, the guy even lost to quincy taylor.

jones fought james toney instead of micheal nunn because toney had beaten nunn.

Rocchigiani beat nobody before his loss to eubanks. the only guy he beat that was nameworthy was thulane malinga. his entire record is filled with bums and the good fighters that he fought all beat him.

the only guy i blame roy jones for not facing is DM who has just as much blame for not making the fight as roy does.

the loss to montell griffin was a dq, roy jones was on his way to knocking out griffin and let his frustration with griffin get the best of him. griffin is a good slick fighter who roy jones didnt prepare for in the first fight. we all now what happened to griffin in part 2.also if the round was to be scored and the fight were to continue it would have had to been scored 10-7 for jones and in that case roy jones is ahead on all scorecards.

[NAB]

let's not compare zab and roy, he's already been ko'd.

Don't think for a minute that I'd compare Roy Jones & Zab Judah.
I'm saying that Zab relies heavily on his reflexes as his defense isn't technically sound. He will suffer some bad KO's if he stays too long in boxing.

[The Troll]

There is no way Michalczewski would have beaten Jones. Are you guys forgetting how hard RJ was to hit back then?

Michalczewski's moved better than people give him credit for and his left jab was very quick hard and accurate, I think he would have been able to land that punch on Jones and that would set up all his other power punching. Michalczewski is all wrong for Jones, because despite Jones' reflexes Michalczewski relentless agression would get to Jones.

YOu probably have this image in your mind that Jones is so fast and Michalczewski is so slow, its not true, Michalczewski moves very well, and his handspeed is good, and his jab is very fast, powerfull and accurate. Michalczewski probably also has at least as good as stamina as Jones, if not better, he probably has better stamina, or did back in his day. Michalczewski's boxing skills are really underrated. He constantly is moving his head and feat and has very good timing with his punches, he also counterpunches extremely well.

[The Troll]

Sanders, Jirov, Benn, McClellan, Jackson, Michalczewski, Nunn, Rocchigiani to name a few.

Rocchigiani would have given him alot of trouble, no question, I dont know about Nunn, Jirov he would probably dominate, Jirov is just to slow.

If Toney could beat Nunn in his prime I dont think Jones would have any trouble doing it. Jones won every round against Toney, but Toney looked like **** in that fight, just his style is all wrong for fighting Jones.

[Stickman]

Roy Jones Junior was undoubtably an exceptional talent!

But I think, he could have been SOOOOO MUCH MORE! Had he not avoided the best in every division?

So what will he be remembered as now?

Using the word "talent" is very appropriate in Roy's case. He's one of the most talented fighters ever, and that, combined with his lightning-quick reflexes and speed, make him one of the greatest fighters of his time. However, when he started losing that slight edge that his reflexes and speed gave him, he started getting caught with flush punches, and can't really compete as effectively as he did just a few years ago. Because, while Roy is extremely talented, he's only moderately skilled, and his talent is to blame for this. He never spent the time developing his skill to the point that most other fighters at the top do, and now that he's slowed slightly, he's getting in trouble much more often.

I never liked Roy's mouth, but like Ali, he was great to watch. I hope he stays retired. He doesn't need the money, and he's no longer capable of being truly competetive.

[oldgringo]

Rocchigiani would have given him alot of trouble, no question, I dont know about Nunn, Jirov he would probably dominate, Jirov is just to slow.

If Toney could beat Nunn in his prime I dont think Jones would have any trouble doing it. Jones won every round against Toney, but Toney looked like **** in that fight, just his style is all wrong for fighting Jones.

Nunn was a legitimate #1 p4p guy when Toney beat him. He had some of the best natural BOXING skills ever seen. He also had pretty good power in both hands and his footwork was exceptional. Jones would have had a very hard time with a prime Nunn...probably moreso than Rocchigiani/Jirov/and maybe even Dariusz.

[The Troll]

Nunn had "lost" a split descision with Rochigiani in Germany in 1998.

Graciano Rocchigiani 175 39-4-1
Max Schmeling Halle, Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg, Germany L SD 12 12 Referee: Daniel Van de Wiele | 111-118 | 113-115 | 116-113 ~




Before this bout, then-WBC Light Heavyweight champion Roy Jones made his intentions to fight Heavyweight James 'Buster' Douglas on May 20, 1998 instead of Michael Nunn, the WBC mandated challenger. The WBC title was then declared vacant and contested between #1 rated Nunn and #2 rated Graciano Rocchigiani. However, in June of 1998 the WBC illegally changed down-graded Rocchigiani's classification to that of an 'interim' champion, and then stripped him outright, having declared Roy Jones as being the champion in recess. Rocchigiani sued the WBC and was awarded $31 million in damages. Also as a result of this lawsuit, a United States District Judge retroactively restored Rocchigiani’s official WBC Light Heavyweight championship status in April 2003, but only from 03-28-1998 to 04-15-2000, when he lost to Dariusz Michalczewski.)

So Jones apparently did duck Nunn

[oldgringo]

Nunn had "lost" a split descision with Rochigiani in Germany in 1998

When he was past his best mind you...