Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Yarmez]

Roy Fought some name fighters and beat them, but dodged alot of others and his total disregard for following up rematches except for Griffin and Tarver woiuld leave some doubt in alot of peoples minds, but all in all no one can deny that he had exceptional talent and new what he was doing 95 percent of the time in the ring.

[oldgringo]

There is no way Michalczewski would have beaten Jones. Are you guys forgetting how hard RJ was to hit back then?

Seriously...he'd be like every other poor schlub that got in his way.

[BadMagick]

Roy claims never to have dodged a fighter. Could someone tell me who he's dodged? Aside from perhaps Bernard, who else would have given him any competition in a rematch? What would the purpose had been?

[Yarmez]

Roy claims never to have dodged a fighter. Could someone tell me who he's dodged? Aside from perhaps Bernard, who else would have given him any competition in a rematch? What would the purpose had been?

Dariusz fro one, i mean he didn't go over ther and fight him and i don't blame him, but he never rematched Bernard like you said or even James toney, Why not stay at heavy and Give Ruiz another Chance, why not give harding another crack, i mean there is a few.

[Boxfan12]

IMO fighters like Roy Jones, Ali & Tyson age really quick cos they rely so much on their natural speed and in ali/RJJ case reflexes. When Ali's natural talent was gone he had his chin to carry him on, RJJ does not have that.

There was so many potential match-ups for Roy had he wanted them. He even avoided a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, if he was so confident in himself why would he avoid a rematch with a legend in the making. Beating someone 12years b4 doesnt really say much as alot can change in 12 years. Not to mention all the middleweight/super middleweight match-ups he could have had in the 90's.

Maybe the first half of you're topic was good. But roy jones jr didnt avoid the rematch with bernard hopkins. Roy said he would fight B-Hop agian it was bernard hopkins who didnt want it. He fought hopkins with a broken right hand and still won. But roy or hopkins wasnt in there primes at that point. Roy could come back but there is no passion the hunger. Its very hard to stay on top for so long. In the locker room before the first tarver fight if you lisen to what he said you would of picked up on that. Larry merchant asked roy if this would be the last time we would see roy jones at this weight and if he was going to fight heavy. He said this might be the last time you see roy jones jr at any weight. Also went on about he is ****ing on the last few credics.He didnt want it, But still came out the winner that night. Roy was a great fighter but he was always to worried about getting caught. Roy may have doged alot of the top fighters in his prime but certainly it was not bernard hopkins.


Side Note: If roy jones jr decided not to come back. I think he should work with Andre Ward now that he signed with rjjr. Roy was a seasoned vet the first time he steped into the ring. Be nice for him to pass his experince to a younger fighter who could become a champ.

[The Fix]

I have a lot of respect for Tiger. He was a tough muthafugga in his day, but I can't see him ever winning against a prime Jones Junior.

As far as his greatness goes? He fought and beat the two most notable peers of his time in Hopkins and Toney.

You could shoot holes in both Hopkins and Toney's individual claims to greatness, you could also argue that those fighters faced Jones in his prime whilst theirs' arrived a decade later.

It's a bit of a gray area at the moment. Personally, I think Jones is the most naturally gifted fighter I've ever seen.

Greatness and talent aren't always necessarily joined at the hip though.

toney was undefeated and in his prime when he fought roy jones. people question the hopkins fight but he is older than jones and had more fights than jones when they fought.

btw toney is no where near his prime and will get exposed shortly by either ruiz or any other top 5 heavy.

[The Fix]

Dariusz fro one, i mean he didn't go over ther and fight him and i don't blame him, but he never rematched Bernard like you said or even James toney, Why not stay at heavy and Give Ruiz another Chance, why not give harding another crack, i mean there is a few.

the reason he didnt give toney, hopkins, ruiz or harding rematches was because he domininated them all. toney only took 1 round from roy.

its both fighters(roy and dm) falt for not fighting eachother. after jones seen what happened to g-man he said he would never travel overseas. DM could have come to north america but he decided against it. if it was money problems roy jones deserved more anyway, afterall its his name carrying the card anyway.

[Yarmez]

the reason he didnt give toney, hopkins, ruiz or harding rematches was because he domininated them all. toney only took 1 round from roy.

its both fighters(roy and dm) falt for not fighting eachother. after jones seen what happened to g-man he said he would never travel overseas. DM could have come to north america but he decided against it. if it was money problems roy jones deserved more anyway, afterall its his name carrying the card anyway.

Regardless of how much he dominated them, look at them now and look at him now, all of the guys he didn't rematch are some way or other on top of their games, had he rematched them before his decline, then his legacy would have been complete

[BadMagick]

Dariusz fro one, i mean he didn't go over ther and fight him and i don't blame him, but he never rematched Bernard like you said or even James toney, Why not stay at heavy and Give Ruiz another Chance, why not give harding another crack, i mean there is a few.

Well, the guy below said Bernard didn't want the fight, which I find more likely than Roy. He beat Toney when Toney was in his prime, and he beat him in fashion. A rematch wasn't really needed. Ruiz is, and was a chump. A rematch against him would have been pointless because Roy would have kicked his ass again; not to mention he had Tarver challenging him at Light Heavy, presumably for more money. My best bet on Harding would be that he wasn't the mandatory challenger, and had no belts to offer, and he lost to Tarver three fights later. Had he beaten Tarver, maybe we would have seen a rematch?

So, aside from Bernard, I don't see why he'd fight any of the other guys. And some say Bernard was the one who didn't want to fight, and I have nothing to back either side up.

I can't see Roy dodging ANY fights in his earlier career. Maybe these last few years he did, but before that I find it VERY hard to believe. He was so much above the other fighters.

[The Fix]

Regardless of how much he dominated them, look at them now and look at him now, all of the guys he didn't rematch are some way or other on top of their games, had he rematched them before his decline, then his legacy would have been complete

toney isnt on top of anything he has beaten fat rydell booker, old evander holyfield(prime holy tears toney limb from limb), and micheal moorers and joe mesi victim vasily jirov in his lat three.

hopkins wouldnt move from middle instead he fought small guys and robert allen. only name on hopkins record is tito. dont get me wrong hopkins is a great fighter but he didnt deserve a remath especially at middle. if you want to avenge yourself you must meet the champ on his terms.