Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Shaolin Bushido]

Everybody says Toney talks so much **** and cant back it up. Roy JOnes Jr. and his fans talk more **** than any other fans and never back it up. Roy talk so much ****, at one point in his career he kept on going on TV and saying he could knock out Tyson and all this **** but the fact is, he runs from quality fighters like Nunn and Michalczewski, and all the best in every divsision.

LOL Michalczewski. You're right, nearly everyone agrees that Roy and Michalczewski should've met and without that happening his claims to be the man rang a bit hollow. As did Michalczewski's.

BOTH are to blame for that not happening.

Btw, all those people who insist that fight should've happened ...

... they also agree Roy probably would've whitewashed his ass. Quit nuthugging and keep it real, son.

[Neuraxis]

Samders? why did sanders deserve a shot at roy? roy jones only had one fight at heavyweight. why not ask roy jones to fight the klits as well

jirov doesnt deserve anything, he has proved that in the big fights he chokes and again roy jones is not a heavy or a cruiser

roy jones was going to fight nigel benn but that fight was soon cancelled because benn lost to thulane malinga whom roy jones later fought and beat instead.

cant blame jones for not fighting mcclellan, you can blame the ref in his g-mans loss to benn for that.

jones didnt fight jackson because imo people would have blamed roy jones for fight mcclellan's left overs, the guy even lost to quincy taylor.

jones fought james toney instead of micheal nunn because toney had beaten nunn.

Rocchigiani beat nobody before his loss to eubanks. the only guy he beat that was nameworthy was thulane malinga. his entire record is filled with bums and the good fighters that he fought all beat him.

the only guy i blame roy jones for not facing is DM who has just as much blame for not making the fight as roy does.

the loss to montell griffin was a dq, roy jones was on his way to knocking out griffin and let his frustration with griffin get the best of him. griffin is a good slick fighter who roy jones didnt prepare for in the first fight. we all now what happened to griffin in part 2.also if the round was to be scored and the fight were to continue it would have had to been scored 10-7 for jones and in that case roy jones is ahead on all scorecards.

Roy called out Jirov and Sanders and then when there was plans to fight him initiated by them, Roy backed out. At middleweight and super middleweight Roy seemed like he could care less about belts. Hmmm, maybe its because tough competition held the belts and they weren't vacant after being stripped from their rightful owner like they were at light heavyweight.

This just in the punch that Jones hurt Griffin with was ILLEGAL. You can't spin someone and punch them in the back of the head. Luckily Roy bailed out Montell by flagrantly hitting him when he was down because the ref sure as hell wasn't going to enforce the rules.

[Neuraxis]

Nunn was a legitimate #1 p4p guy when Toney beat him. He had some of the best natural BOXING skills ever seen. He also had pretty good power in both hands and his footwork was exceptional. Jones would have had a very hard time with a prime Nunn...probably moreso than Rocchigiani/Jirov/and maybe even Dariusz.

Yeah I agree Jones would have trouble with Nunn that's why ducked him for years. The only reason Toney beat him is because he has such a good chin, and he caught Nunn just in time. Nunn was up 97-91, 99-91, 98-92. Nunn was definately the real deal.

[Run]

This just in the punch that Jones hurt Griffin with was ILLEGAL..

Haha. yeah it was. that is flagrant as hell.



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[Neuraxis]

Wow...so why didn't DM fight those guys if Roy has to? You love DM so much but hold him to a lesser standard which shows me that you do not think DM is as good as Roy.

1) Sanders...No one wanted to see this fight. Roy cannot duck a man who is fat, out of shape, and isn't in Roy's weight class. Roy only fought at heavyweight to get a belt, and everyone knows that. Sanders couldn't even beat Ruiz if they fought.

2) Jirov...again, 2 totally different weight class. You can't just pick random guys and say that Roy ducked them. Roy and Jirov were in negotiations, and then bigger fish came along with Ruiz and his belt. Do you understand the term "ducking" at all?

3) Benn...Benn fought not one single fight in his last 6 years of boxing in the United States...all were in Europe. What makes you think Benn even wanted to fight Roy? Benn was also a very dirty fighter and almost killed his best friend in the ring so no wonder it might be true that Roy didn't want to share a ring with Benn and his tactics. Benn lost to THULANE MALINGA who Roy DESTROYED. When Benn and Roy were in the same weight class, Benn was KO'd twice by Steve Collins.

4) McClellan...best friends rarely fight each other. Look at Zab and Floyd. Floyd don't want to fight Zab, and vice versa, it's just a matter of principle. In rare cases friends fight each other, but you can't say Roy ducked Gerald because they were best friends and maybethey would have fought if Gerald wasn't almost killed in his fight with Benn.

5) Julian Jackson and Roy's histories don't even cross much. Roy didn't have that many fights by the time Jackson was already 10 years in the game. Jackson got KO'd in his biggest fights and that's his own fault (except against Terry Noris). You can't blame Roy for Jackson getting KO'd and having started his career way before Roy started his.

6) DM...bull****, plain and simple. DM was not considered the champ, and should have been willing to go to the U.S. to fight Roy. German judges have been horrible even to this day, and anyone can see why Roy wouldn't fight DM in his own backyard. DM's unwillingness to travel pretty much shows how serious he was in wanting to fight Roy. His ridiculous undefeated record probably would never have happened had he fought Roy in his prime. Roy wasn't ducking a challenge, Dm just wasn't seeking one.

7) Michael Nunn...lost to Toney, who Jones dominated. Had a close fight with Merqui Sosa, who Jones KO'd in 2 rounds. Nunn also was not a realsupermiddleweight or even a lightheavyweight. He weighed in the 180's and 190's long before Roy did. He was simply not in the same weightclass. He almost always outweighed his opponents. Nunn was made the challenger to Roy by the WBC even though in his 4 previous fights he weighed in at 186, 175, 191, and 186. He even went all the way up to 196 shortly thereafter.

8) Rock...Rock was illegally stripped of championship status, but you can't blame Roy for that. Blame the WBC. Between 1996 and 2000 (around when they were in the same class) Rock fought a whopping 5 times. 2 were losses to DM and in his only "significant" win he beat 35 yr-old Nunn by split decision.

DM only fought at cruiserweight and light heavyweight. DM had one decision win from 1997-2005 which was against Hill which wasn't even close so its not like the judes would have mattered, and anyways they seemed to be more than fair judging from the scores at the times of stoppages. Jones offered DM ridiculous money to come to the U.S. where Jones vs. Johnson just shows how impossible it would have been for DM to get a decision against Jones in the U.S. Jones demanded $12 million to fight DM in Germany when his previous high had been $4 million.

[Neuraxis]

LOL Michalczewski. You're right, nearly everyone agrees that Roy and Michalczewski should've met and without that happening his claims to be the man rang a bit hollow. As did Michalczewski's.

BOTH are to blame for that not happening.

Btw, all those people who insist that fight should've happened ...

... they also agree Roy probably would've whitewashed his ass. Quit nuthugging and keep it real, son.

Like I've already said, just like he whitewashed Griffin in their first fight.

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Like I've already said, just like he whitewashed Griffin in their first fight.

why don't you tell us something about the 2nd fight, this is ridiculous... you are holding against jones his DQ loss against a guy he KOed 1 in the rematch... it's not ali-frazier or barrera-morales or the first few robinson-lamotta, saddler-pepp fights, we are not talking close battles: the rematch was ko1, knock out in round 1.
Not some random punch but a total destruction of the louis-schmeling 2 type or prime tyson vs nobody.

and the first fight was won by griffin on the canvas...
oh wait that's the way you think DM would have won against jones, now I see the picture

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I'm glad this thread created some interest

I just watched the Toney vs RJJ fight "again" and I have to say... Roy Jones Junior was an exceptional talent!

BUT!..... He has to be one of the most frustrating fighters ever. Maybe something to do with him managing himself? - Because he avoided so many good fighters!

More recently (in the twilight of his career) I really think that he could have proved himself as a true great by chasing the best in each division instead of wasting time fighting Kelly/Gonzalez/Woods etc.

[snap the jab]

He just had such amazing natural talent - i mean who else was that ****ing fast?

[The Troll]

... they also agree Roy probably would've whitewashed his ass. .

There is no way Roy would whitewash Michalczewski. Jones' power would not keep Michalczewski off. Michalczewski would pursue him with his excellent left jab and eventually start to land and then start landing power punches and eventually KO Jones. Michalczewski had very quick feet so its not like Jones would dance around him all night, not a possiblity.

Michalczewski's jab is so powerfull he could stagger Jones wit his straight left alone.