Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

D'you not think it's a fantasy?... Talking about Roy Jones Junior coming back, from being knocked unconcious in his last 2 fights too unifying the light-heavyweight division again?

[The Troll]

D'you not think it's a fantasy?... Talking about Roy Jones Junior coming back, from being knocked unconcious in his last 2 fights too unifying the light-heavyweight division again?

Jones never actually did unify the Lt Heavyweight belts. Michalczewski did, and then he was immediately stripped of all his belts, except the WBO.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

My opinion is... That Roy Jones was a close friend on Gerald McClellan. And afte seeing what happened to him, in that Nigel Benn fight... Roy Jones spent the rest of his career picking the easy options?

It's no lie that he avoided the best in each division... Only hope Floyd Mayweather doesn't follow the same path (eg. Gatti - light-welterweight).

[HayeFan]

I have a lot of respect for Tiger. He was a tough muthafugga in his day, but I can't see him ever winning against a prime Jones Junior.

As far as his greatness goes? He fought and beat the two most notable peers of his time in Hopkins and Toney.

You could shoot holes in both Hopkins and Toney's individual claims to greatness, you could also argue that those fighters faced Jones in his prime whilst theirs' arrived a decade later.

It's a bit of a gray area at the moment. Personally, I think Jones is the most naturally gifted fighter I've ever seen.

Greatness and talent aren't always necessarily joined at the hip though.

[Slipx]

You see, the thing about Roy is un recoverable. Just like with Prince Naseem.

When your fighting style is heavily dependant on your reflexes, once you lose the reflexes, you are finished. It's gone forever, you will never be an elite fighter again, ever.

Fighters that use power as their main victory attribute you'll notice have longer timespans in the ring, look at Tyson, he's old now and still ****ing strong, and isn't THAT washed up. Look at Foreman, his main attribute was power and he came back. Look at any fighter who used reflexes rather than power and you'll notice that after their KO losses or w/e they never returned. Because reflexes is the first thing to go, power is the last.

[dangerousity]

IMO fighters like Roy Jones, Ali & Tyson age really quick cos they rely so much on their natural speed and in ali/RJJ case reflexes. When Ali's natural talent was gone he had his chin to carry him on, RJJ does not have that.

There was so many potential match-ups for Roy had he wanted them. He even avoided a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, if he was so confident in himself why would he avoid a rematch with a legend in the making. Beating someone 12years b4 doesnt really say much as alot can change in 12 years. Not to mention all the middleweight/super middleweight match-ups he could have had in the 90's.

[NAB]

There is no way Michalczewski would have beaten Jones. Are you guys forgetting how hard RJ was to hit back then?

[NAB]

You see, the thing about Roy is un recoverable. Just like with Prince Naseem.

When your fighting style is heavily dependant on your reflexes, once you lose the reflexes, you are finished. It's gone forever, you will never be an elite fighter again, ever.

Fighters that use power as their main victory attribute you'll notice have longer timespans in the ring, look at Tyson, he's old now and still ****ing strong, and isn't THAT washed up. Look at Foreman, his main attribute was power and he came back. Look at any fighter who used reflexes rather than power and you'll notice that after their KO losses or w/e they never returned. Because reflexes is the first thing to go, power is the last.

I agree - and look for Zab to suffer some shocking KO's late in his career.

[Kid Achilles]

I agree with you Slip except for on the subject of Tyson. Old Iron Mike did rely on his speed and reflexes in his prime, and it shows now that they are gone. True he still can punch, but he has struggled even against the weak composition he has faced. At least Jones lost to top guys like Johnson and Tarver.

A good example of what you were saying with Tyson would be Foreman, who in some ways actually improved with age.

[BadMagick]

Roy Jones Junior was undoubtably an exceptional talent!

But I think, he could have been SOOOOO MUCH MORE! Had he not avoided the best in every division?

So what will he be remembered as now?

Avoided? Avoided?! When did Roy avoid fights?