Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[BadMagick]

Well, the guy below said Bernard didn't want the fight, which I find more likely than Roy. He beat Toney when Toney was in his prime, and he beat him in fashion. A rematch wasn't really needed. Ruiz is, and was a chump. A rematch against him would have been pointless because Roy would have kicked his ass again; not to mention he had Tarver challenging him at Light Heavy, presumably for more money. My best bet on Harding would be that he wasn't the mandatory challenger, and had no belts to offer, and he lost to Tarver three fights later. Had he beaten Tarver, maybe we would have seen a rematch?

So, aside from Bernard, I don't see why he'd fight any of the other guys. And some say Bernard was the one who didn't want to fight, and I have nothing to back either side up.

I can't see Roy dodging ANY fights in his earlier career. Maybe these last few years he did, but before that I find it VERY hard to believe. He was so much above the other fighters.

Regardless of how much he dominated them, look at them now and look at him now, all of the guys he didn't rematch are some way or other on top of their games, had he rematched them before his decline, then his legacy would have been complete

Bernard wasn't where he is now when Jones was in the same weight class. Roy was well into his Light Heavy career by the time Bernard was a big name. To make him drop 20 pounds to rematch a guy would be ridiculous. Toney was a Cruiser by that time. Maybe Jones could have rematched him up there, but he beat him so badly when both were in their prime. A loss when he was older, and heavier would have meant little, as would the rematch.

[Boxfan12]

Regardless of how much he dominated them, look at them now and look at him now, all of the guys he didn't rematch are some way or other on top of their games, had he rematched them before his decline, then his legacy would have been complete

Well that may be true. But you must not fool you're self not every one wanted to rematch roy jones jr. James toney didnt want jones after that.I belive if jones jr stayed at middle then bernard hopkins would have no choice but to rematch. Now alot of us are talking past there is no what "ifs". you should look at this topic as a poster that is neutral about roy not a nuthugger or a hater. But if jones wanted to show all the doubters he is still the champ, he should come back take the rematch with Clinton woods. Then take 1 more for a tune up. Then fight tarver. If he loses then at least no one can say he didnt have balls.

[ClydeErwinBarretto]

The only way Jones could ever really make a dent in fighting again is to ... not really change ... his style but adapt and adjust to the fact that he's not the same age anymore. Most fighters with time gain new tactics and mental games and have better defenses ... Roy is definitely gonna have to work on his defense and get a jab. He still has the hand speed but needs a new game...

Look at Michael Jordan... at thirty something he was still outscoring and outplaying early twenty year olds. Not by dunking on them over and over but by becoming a better smarter player. Used more tools that required less phsyical energy such as his jump shot and just mentally dominating his defender. That's something Roy would need to do...

In MY opinion...

Johnson fought a very week, and unrecovered Roy jones. Roy still has about 3 or 4 years left in him to go out on top...if Roy recovers its the possiblity of him being champ is very high.

[Neuraxis]

There is no way Michalczewski would have beaten Jones. Are you guys forgetting how hard RJ was to hit back then?

Yeah kind of like he was in the first Griffin fight.

[Neuraxis]

Roy claims never to have dodged a fighter. Could someone tell me who he's dodged? Aside from perhaps Bernard, who else would have given him any competition in a rematch? What would the purpose had been?

Sanders, Jirov, Benn, McClellan, Jackson, Michalczewski, Nunn, Rocchigiani to name a few.

And I really don't understand why Toney and McCallum are always listed as two of Jones's best wins. Toney lost to Griffin in his next fight. Hell Griffin beat him twice and he beat Jones once. Yes Jones fans it was a loss. Going into 9th round he was behind on 2 of the scorecards and ahead on one. The scores were 76-75, 75-77, and 75-76. The DQ punch was clearly uncalled for, and the punch that hurt Griffin to begin with was also illegal. The previous KD was hardly legit as well as Jones basically jumping into Griffin caused the KD. Tenacious Drake Thazdi also beat him. Nunn was also on his way to a very one sided decision before Toney caught him. McCallum was nearly 40 years old. Tiozzo beat him two fights before Jones did as well. IMO his best wins are Hopkins, Griffin II, and Hill.

[Boxfan12]

Sanders, Jirov, Benn, McClellan, Jackson, Michalczewski, Nunn, Rocchigiani to name a few.

And I really don't understand why Toney and McCallum are always listed as two of Jones's best wins. Toney lost to Griffin in his next fight. Hell Griffin beat him twice and he beat Jones once. Yes Jones fans it was a loss. Going into 9th round he was behind on 2 of the scorecards and ahead on one. The scores were 76-75, 75-77, and 75-76. The DQ punch was clearly uncalled for, and the punch that hurt Griffin to begin with was also illegal. Tenacious Drake Thazdi also beat him. Nunn was also on his way to a very one sided decision before Toney caught him. McCallum was nearly 40 years old. Tiozzo beat him two fights before Jones did as well. IMO his best wins are Hopkins, Griffin II, and Hill.

yes i'll agree it was looking that way. He was losing but he was on his way to knocking griffin out. Griffin would of got up if jones didnt sneak them dirty punches in but i dont think he would of finished the fight.


But lets talk dirty for a minute. Jones was dirty at the time of Dq But that Shoulder/Push griffin did then a left hook right after was also uncalled for.

[Neuraxis]

yes i'll agree it was looking that way. He was losing but he was on his way to knocking griffin out. Griffin would of got up if jones didnt sneak them dirty punches in but i dont think he would of finished the fight.

I don't think so either, he was smart to take the DQ. That was a vicious rabbit punch Jones landed which Griffin wobbling all over the ring.

[NAB]

Yeah kind of like he was in the first Griffin fight.

You see the rematch when Jones was fired up??!!

[Deejay]

The only thing holding Jones back is motivation. He's done it all in the sport so there's not much else to accomplish. However if he ever feels the spark from within himself then look the f*&k out!! I reckon he'll clear out the division once again easy!!

[oldgringo]

toney was undefeated and in his prime when he fought roy jones. people question the hopkins fight but he is older than jones and had more fights than jones when they fought.

btw toney is no where near his prime and will get exposed shortly by either ruiz or any other top 5 heavy.

How much you wanna put on that sucka>?