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  • crimsonfalcon07
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    #11
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    I know you’re not the brightest of sparks but how can Dubois be a contender when he’s IBF champion?

    Usyk-Dubois, Kabayel-Parker, I’d like to see Bakole-Zhang too.
    Dubois IBF champ? What a load. That belt was contested between two guys who'd already lost to Usyk while he rematched the man ranked above them in every credible rankings. The IBF belt has barely more credibility than the IBO belt (which Usyk also holds) or one of the WBC's commemorative trinkets. Dubois got stopped by Usyk with a jab to become his first knockout victim at heavyweight. Come on now.

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      #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      I know you’re not the brightest of sparks but how can Dubois be a contender when he’s IBF champion?

      Usyk-Dubois, Kabayel-Parker, I’d like to see Bakole-Zhang too.
      There is only one champion and it's Usyk. Dubois has a title, not a championship. Don't pretend you don't understand the difference.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Nash out
        I'd be interested to see Moses Itauma vs Kabayel. Jalolov in a big fight as well. The thing is a lot of the best heavyweights of recent years are past their best now. Fury, Wilder, Joshua. Then even the contenders of that age/era are ancient. Chisora, Zhang, Joyce, Whyte, tons more. Parker is 33, I think, but you could say he's as good as ever, but compare Joyce from the time he beat Parker, to Joyce now, and his decline is at least 50%. Fury has lost all of his speed and stamina, age, the Fury fights, and Malik Scott killed Wilder off, Joshua's confidence nose-dived after losses, and as I said, age as well. The old guard all need replacing at some point. Usyk will be gone in a year or two as well, so people need to step up. I like what I see of Moses. Very fast, powerful and very confident. Those tools are hard to deal with. Can he take a shot? I guess that's what we need to find out. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty
        Don't forget about the Cruiserweight kid

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          #14
          dont forget about wilder

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            #15
            Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

            Dubois IBF champ? What a load. That belt was contested between two guys who'd already lost to Usyk while he rematched the man ranked above them in every credible rankings. The IBF belt has barely more credibility than the IBO belt (which Usyk also holds) or one of the WBC's commemorative trinkets. Dubois got stopped by Usyk with a jab to become his first knockout victim at heavyweight. Come on now.
            You say that but on another night, with another ref, and on another weekend which wasn't a celebration of Ukraine independence (in Poland with a big Ukrainian support) Dubois would've been awarded a knockdown which could've led to a possible KO, who knows. It was a heavy shot and Usyk looked in considerable distress. As for it being a low blow... I think the trajectory of the punch was from down to up - about 3% of the connection grazed his cawk at best while the remaining 97% landed flush on the beltline. I feel Usyk definitely milked that situation, If you watch his fights he is one of those guys who is constantly complaining to ref about low blows.
            Last edited by Elastic Recoilz; 02-23-2025, 03:05 PM.

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              #16
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
              I know you’re not the brightest of sparks but how can Dubois be a contender when he’s IBF champion?

              Usyk-Dubois, Kabayel-Parker, I’d like to see Bakole-Zhang too.
              Because its not a real title, its an imaginary contenders belt made up for no reason since Usyk is the champion.

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              • crimsonfalcon07
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                #17
                Originally posted by Elastic Recoilz

                You say that but on another night, with another ref, and on another weekend which wasn't a celebration of Ukraine independence (in Poland with a big Ukrainian support) Dubois would've been awarded a knockdown which could've led to a possible KO, who knows. It was a heavy shot and Usyk looked in considerable distress. As for it being a low blow... I think the trajectory of the punch was from down to up - about 3% of the connection grazed his cawk at best while the remaining 97% landed flush on the beltline. I feel Usyk definitely milked that situation, If you watch his fights he is one of those guys who is constantly complaining to ref about low blows.
                Read the rules sometime... The low blow line is determined by the navel, not the belt. Just look at the difference between where Usyk wears his, and Tyson Fury, and you'll see why they can't use the belt line as the indicator. Dubois was told before the fight that, as Usyk's shorts were below the the navel, the entire belt line was off limits. It's amazing how boxing fans don't know the rules of the sport they supposedly like. That was far from the first low blow landed by Dubois.

                Add to that the fact that ringside observers heard the impact on the cup, and this as1nine narrative has no substance whatsoever. You can see his navel above his shorts before and after the low blow, so the belt line is LOW, and observers from the dressing room briefing confirmed that was what Dubois was told.

                Note also that they didn't even try to protest at ANY time during the fight. They didn't protest at ALL until some media talking head gave them that excuse, and then Frank Warren jumped all over it. I guarantee that Daniel Dubois and his corner knew it was low. Heck, he put his own glove over his own cup while he was waiting on the corner.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Nash out
                  I'd be interested to see Moses Itauma vs Kabayel. Jalolov in a big fight as well. The thing is a lot of the best heavyweights of recent years are past their best now. Fury, Wilder, Joshua. Then even the contenders of that age/era are ancient. Chisora, Zhang, Joyce, Whyte, tons more. Parker is 33, I think, but you could say he's as good as ever, but compare Joyce from the time he beat Parker, to Joyce now, and his decline is at least 50%. Fury has lost all of his speed and stamina, age, the Fury fights, and Malik Scott killed Wilder off, Joshua's confidence nose-dived after losses, and as I said, age as well. The old guard all need replacing at some point. Usyk will be gone in a year or two as well, so people need to step up. I like what I see of Moses. Very fast, powerful and very confident. Those tools are hard to deal with. Can he take a shot? I guess that's what we need to find out. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty
                  To throw 20 years old, 10 fight Itauma into a fight with Kabayel now would be criminal.Time is on his side,he needs seasoning against some decent opponents who will give him rounds not top 5 unbeaten contenders.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Bronson66
                    To throw 20 years old, 10 fight Itauma into a fight with Kabayel now would be criminal.Time is on his side,he needs seasoning against some decent opponents who will give him rounds not top 5 unbeaten contenders.
                    This is how greatness is accomplished. Nobody is interested in watching Moses get rounds, we want him in fights he could lose, otherwise, why are we watching? Kabayel, then if he wins Usyk. Then he can say "Boxing, completed it, mate." Get on! Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty

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                      #20
                      Usyk
                      Danny
                      Joe
                      Hunter
                      Kabayel


                      Hell, Okolie's a good fighter. Y'all just ****s.


                      I never liked Frankenstein Hrgovic but one loss shouldn't make you a bum either.

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