Wiil Usyk drop a belt to avoid Hrgovic?

[Dolor]

Juggernaut666 did make the point that Usyk is not getting younger and has been moving a lot to avoid the big heavyweights... He also did show a weakness... Not even the contraversal call, one could still see that some of the body shots hurt him. If Usyk gets old, loses or cannot be as mobile, it is possible! So this analysis does make sense...

Totally agree. And I think that is what Fury is counting on as well. With literally each day they don't fight, Usyk is losing his advantages (footwork, speed, reflexes), whereas nothing will change regarding Fury's advantages (power, size, reach). If you compare Usyk vs. Dubois to Usyk vs. AJ 1, you can already see that Uysk slowed down a little bit, and seemed less evasive - at least that was my impression.

[_Rexy_]

A big part of the Usyk fanbase considers this man nearly a saint and a noble knight, apart from having full-skill assets on a top level and not lacking anything. It's ridiculous and pathetic. It is impossible to even reasonably question anything about him, nor criticize.

the "one million per day donation for each day you fail to sign" thing was just firing back at Fury who said "70/30, and one million per day less for each day you take to sign"

[billeau2]

Frank Warren is a liar and Fury is bipolar. Sure, they accepted the offer.

Let me guess: This makes Usyk the Good guy right? Because Fury is a basket case it implies Usyk is always on the up and up right?

[billeau2]

Thank you for deferring judgement. What will you say when Usyk ducks him or fights him and loses? Usyk has not avoided big heavies recently. AJ and Dubois are both 6'5" tall and 230+ pounds. He would be foolish to stand toe to toe with them.

Now I told you watch Hrgovic work out on the speed bag, or jump rope. He is not stiff. The man has some flexibility in him. And he moves his feet and hands very well.

No big man is going to look as smooth as say Mayweather was. The stiff business is a media talking point only used by his detractors. The crow will be waiting...

We are not at that point (the bolded) for now here is what I would say... Hypothetically: "prove that Usyk ducked the stiff croat" and you will tailor one of your narratives where, Usyk, unlike the many other heavyweights who have not fought the stiff croat, is actually deliberately avoiding such a fight. Ignoring the fact that the Stiff Croat is one of a whole bunch of heavyweights looking to make hay out of grass, like Sanchez, Jarret, etc.

Meanwhile, whether the SC can, or cannot win, judging from how Usyk has operated and the SC has performed, I will ask "why would a fighter who appears tailor made for Usyk, frighten a fighter who has really not ducked anyone..." Then I will concede that MAYBE there is a reason (not necessarily a duck) why Usyk does not want the Fury fight, at least not yet... That is exactly what I will do! Then I will say, as I have multiple posts on this thread: that nobody can possibly know who, why, or if either man "ducked" the other. As Iron Dan pointed out, Usyk is not above reproach, Fury's antics are simply more visible, and more risible frankly. We can only look at motivations and behavior as an antecedent for actions...

You can thank Juggernaut666. The point I was referencing was not that Usyk avoided anyone, merely that (paraphrasing a point I am considering made by Juggernaut) Usyk might be needing his legs to keep moving, and at 37, and judging from his last fight, he may be losing a step, which would make him more hittable. This is quite possible because as I believe from watching Usyk... He is a closet bully! he likes to get physical, and rough up his man. But he can only do this to a big heavyweight once he has connected with a percentage of his shots, and made the opponent chase him a bit. For example watch how Usyk goes after Bellew as soon as he sees Bellew is tiring, versus when he opens up against Dubois. Once Usyk cannot be as mobile he loses a lot of that ability.

The stiff croat does not really have a whole bunch of detractors, supporters, not yet...maybe if he beats Usyk.

[billeau2]

Totally agree. And I think that is what Fury is counting on as well. With literally each day they don't fight, Usyk is losing his advantages (footwork, speed, reflexes), whereas nothing will change regarding Fury's advantages (power, size, reach). If you compare Usyk vs. Dubois to Usyk vs. AJ 1, you can already see that Uysk slowed down a little bit, and seemed less evasive - at least that was my impression.

That makes sense. If we take Means, motive and opportunity, and consider that means does not apply here, unlike a crime analysis, we see Fury has motive and the opportunity, opportunity cost is neglable because Saudi money is not going anywhere. There will be no lost opportunity cost for either man, delaying this fight. But the motive to let Usyk get a little longer in the tooth makes a lot of sense.

If you are Usyk, knowing perhaps what Fury is doing, presents an opportunity for good public relations, hence the donation provision that Usyk knew Fury would never accept.

While no one can know how Usyk feels about his future, he may/may not be concerned with taking the fight in the future, it does seem he did not really protest much lol. It tells me Usyk does not believe he is slowing down, a sentiment consistent with most fighters who are in denial regarding father time.

[Pigeons]

Usyk would be the giver in an OnlyFans scene with Hrgovic

[IronDanHamza]

Let me guess: This makes Usyk the Good guy right? Because Fury is a basket case it implies Usyk is always on the up and up right?

Exactly

When that's the logic being used then what's the point in even having the discussion?

The facts of what happened are irrelevant, Fury tells lies, Usyk is perfect, therefore Fury is 100% at fault

It's ridiculous.

[Mooshashi]

Let me guess: This makes Usyk the Good guy right? Because Fury is a basket case it implies Usyk is always on the up and up right?

Nope. Two independent issues.

[bballchump11]

Hrgovic sucks

[dannnnn]

It’s only 50-50 in Saudi because of the obscene money they are willing to offer them.

This is demonstrably false. It wasn't 50/50 at all in Saudi actually anyway because the Saudi's don't deal in purse splits. They make their own personal deal with each fighter individually. Usyk's side agreed their deal with the Saudis, Fury priced himself out by demanding some ridiculous amount that even the Saudis couldn't fulfill. Perhaps something to the tune of £500m?

Fury has taken to Instagram to clarify his demands for a potential showdown with Usyk, insisting he still wants an eye-watering £500m to return and face the former undisputed cruiserweight king.

'The [world's] biggest fight has to be the worlds biggest money,' he wrote.

'If im to put all on the line vs some unknown foreigner - boys better get that half billy.

'If not keep the little mug - if it was AJ it would of been free but its not'.

If they are going off a pot of revenue like they would in the UK then obviously it’s not 50-50’as Fury is the way bigger draw. How is that even an argument? That’s not how Boxing works. The bigger draw gets the bigger split. Very simple.

As I said, the Saudi deal wasn't a purse split, therefore when Frank Warren was going around saying it'll be a 50/50 split he wasn't talking about in Saudi Arabia, he was talking about in the UK (or anywhere else).

Fury's promoter Frank Warren sees no reason why the pair cannot meet next, telling talkSPORT that a 50/50 split has already been agreed, with a site deal all that's left to finalise.

'There would [be huge demand to have it in the UK], but where would you put it on? We wouldn't be able to put it on until next year.'

'It's no good going to the Millennium Stadium, it doesn't hold the same amount of people as Wembley does and can't generate the same money. If it were to go on in the UK it needs to be Wembley and it can't go on until the end of April or May next year.'

When asked about the Middle East, Warren added: 'If it were to go to the Middle East, it makes it better because of the time of year as it won't be so hot.'

'There would be a lot of people over there because people will be over there for the World Cup. I think people will travel for this fight from the UK.'

'Would it be better for us for it to go on at Wembley? Of course, you can imagine the atmosphere and you'd sell out immediately.'

He also added: 'We had talks before the fight with Usyk's camp. We met with them three or four weeks ago, there's no problems with them,' Warren continued.

'The terms of the deal are really simple, it will be a 50/50 split, but it's where we can generate the most income to make it work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...Usyk-next.html

So then, the terms of the deal are really simple, the split has already been agreed upon and all that's left to decide is the location. The fact that they had agreed on a 50/50 split for the fight in the UK debunks your whole little narrative really, doesn't it?

You are actually asking me how 60-40 to the winner is not operating in good faith? What is this bizarro world? We KNOW that no boxer is ever going to accept that kind of offer and it’s very transparently not a real offer.

If this was the initial offer proposed by the Usyk camp I'd probably agree with you, but it wasn't, and you know this.

"We initially agreed for 50/50,” Krassyuk began.

“But then Tyson was asking for some bigger money.

"So we made it clear that we are ready to go 60/40, but the winner takes 60.

“That was our latest offer.”

When asked if Fury refused the latest offer, Krassyuk replied: "Yes, exactly."

Split was agreed at 50/50, Fury starts demanding a bigger split so Usyk's side suggest 60/40 to the winner. Seems like a fair solution to me. Again, this was not instigated by Usyk's side. It's Fury putting up obstacles and them trying to work around it.

To the last point, not really. Usyk clearly didn’t want it in the UK so whether Fury wanted it or not makes no difference. Reality is neither did and they wanted to play their little games of media one-up man ship while they wait our Saudi, and by your comments one that Usyk won.

First of all, what are you basing this on? It's completely unfounded. The terms and split were agreed at 50/50, including the UK, and it was Fury who started moving the goalposts and pricing himself out at every turn. No one else.
And more importantly, let's say you're right (you're not) and both sides were simply playing a game and holding out for the Saudi money, then why didn't Fury agree his terms with the Saudis in the first place?? The fight was there to be made in Saudi! This narrative doesn't make sense, it's absolute nonsense.

Here's a few bullet points to sum things up:

• The deal is agreed, terms are simple, split is 50/50, only thing to determine is the site location. Might be UK, might not.
• The fight gets pushed back to April so that Tyson can squeeze in an easy payday in the meantime with Chisora.
• Usyk's side agree their terms with the Saudis, Fury does not.
• Fury starts demanding a higher percentage of the split than was agreed upon, Usyk's side suggest 60/40 to the winner.
• Fury says no, the split will be 70/30 in my favour and you (Usyk) will be deducted a further 1% for every day it takes you to accept.

Pretty big difference from the first line to the last one, huh? "bOtH mEn WeRe EqUaLlY tO bLaMe"

Stop acting like you're not pushing a narrative and are merely interested in having an honest discussion, it's nauseating. Your agenda is as clear as day to anyone with two eyes and as many brain cells. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be about twice as smart as you actually are.