Wiil Usyk drop a belt to avoid Hrgovic?

[IronDanHamza]

This is demonstrably false. It wasn't 50/50 at all in Saudi actually anyway because the Saudi's don't deal in purse splits. They make their own personal deal with each fighter individually. Usyk's side agreed their deal with the Saudis, Fury priced himself out by demanding some ridiculous amount that even the Saudis couldn't fulfill. Perhaps something to the tune of £500m?





As I said, the Saudi deal wasn't a purse split, therefore when Frank Warren was going around saying it'll be a 50/50 split he wasn't talking about in Saudi Arabia, he was talking about in the UK (or anywhere else).



So then, the terms of the deal are really simple, the split has already been agreed upon and all that's left to decide is the location. The fact that they had agreed on a 50/50 split for the fight in the UK debunks your whole little narrative really, doesn't it?




If this was the initial offer proposed by the Usyk camp I'd probably agree with you, but it wasn't, and you know this.



Split was agreed at 50/50, Fury starts demanding a bigger split so Usyk's side suggest 60/40 to the winner. Seems like a fair solution to me. Again, this was not instigated by Usyk's side. It's Fury putting up obstacles and them trying to work around it.

First of all, what are you basing this on? It's completely unfounded. The terms and split were agreed at 50/50, including the UK, and it was Fury who started moving the goalposts and pricing himself out at every turn. No one else.
And more importantly, let's say you're right (you're not) and both sides were simply playing a game and holding out for the Saudi money, then why didn't Fury agree his terms with the Saudis in the first place?? The fight was there to be made in Saudi! This narrative doesn't make sense, it's absolute nonsense.

Here's a few bullet points to sum things up:

• The deal is agreed, terms are simple, split is 50/50, only thing to determine is the site location. Might be UK, might not.
• The fight gets pushed back to April so that Tyson can squeeze in an easy payday in the meantime with Chisora.
• Usyk's side agree their terms with the Saudis, Fury does not.
• Fury starts demanding a higher percentage of the split than was agreed upon, Usyk's side suggest 60/40 to the winner.
• Fury says no, the split will be 70/30 in my favour and you (Usyk) will be deducted a further 1% for every day it takes you to accept.

Pretty big difference from the first line to the last one, huh? "bOtH mEn WeRe EqUaLlY tO bLaMe"

Stop acting like you're not pushing a narrative and are merely interested in having an honest discussion, it's nauseating. Your agenda is as clear as day to anyone with two eyes and as many brain cells. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be about twice as smart as you actually are.

Oh look at the psychoanalyst go Anything else I need to know about the inner workings of my brain, Doc?

I literally have no agenda what so ever. I couldn't have lesser of a horse in the race if I tried.

I'm not an overly big fan of Fury, I like him, but I'm far from a fan. And I've called him out many times for his nonsense in the media dating as far back to 2010. Called him out for his PED use, called him out for playing on the mental health narrative, called him out for messing around with AJ the first time round knowing full well that he was contracted to fight Wilder a third time, called him out for fighting unranked fighters like Scwartz and Chisora whilst he was Champion, called him out for pretending that he doesn't care about money when he obviously does, called him out for lying about giving his entire purse to charity. So, you can stop with the bullshit. If you want a dialogue then do so, leave the crying at the door, because it's embarrassing.

Same for Usyk, like the guy think he's a quality fighter. Wouldn't consider myself a fan per se but I like his style in and out the ring and I've paid big money to sit ringside whilst rooting for him.

So again we can knock that pseudo nonsense on it's head from there.


As for the rest of your post, 50-50 was only explicitly mentioned by anyone from team Fury when it was Saudi and Saudi only. I didn't say it was a split, it wasn't. What it means is, they both get paid the same amount of money, I.e a fuck ton.

Whereas in the UK, that isn't going to be the case, that is going to be substantial smaller pot of money, so that changes everything in regards to the split and Fury and team were consistent on that from the off, Warren made that very clear as soon as Saudi was off the table. So you're wrong about that part, which pretty much debunks the majority of your post and the position you're taking.


Ok so in regards to Fury not agreeing terms with Saudi; Do you have a source for that? Because my understanding is that no offer was made from Saudi and they told the teams that the fight had to get pushed back to December 2023 as they wouldn't be ready to put the fight on in the early months of 2023? Hence why talks were then moved to the UK? Is that not what happened? It's what Warren says happened and it's what I remember happening. What offer did the Saudi's make to Fury that he turned down? Because if that is true than that does change things but what is the exact offer that was made that Fury turned down?


You're saying 50/50 was agreed upon but it simply wasn't for a UK fight, that's just a fact. It was agreed upon for a Saudi fight as mentioned above, not for a UK fight where the financials are totally different.

60/40 to the winner is ludicrous . It's absurd and it's a nonsense and to try and act like it's not is just disingenuous. It doesn't even matter if it was agreed beforehand (it wasn't), that is not a real offer and it's not more than a game and a media stunt. To defend that is just ******, frankly.

If anything, it's people like you pushing a narrative, not me. You put 100% of the blame on Fury for playing his ****** games but when Usyk does the same nonsense in plain sight it's totally fine and not an issue.

That's literally the epitome of a false narrative.

[Damn Wicked]

If Usyk decides to duck another fighter it sure won't be Hrgovic!

[dannnnn]

I don't need to hear your life story to know that you are clearly biased in your opinion.

You're saying 50/50 was agreed upon but it simply wasn't for a UK fight, that's just a fact. It was agreed upon for a Saudi fight as mentioned above, not for a UK fight where the financials are totally different.

“This is a big fight that not just the Middle East but other parts of the world would be interested in hosting.”

“Would it be better for us for it to go on at Wembley? Of course, you can imagine the atmosphere and you’d sell out immediately."

"The terms of the deal are really simple, it will be a 50/50 split, but it's where we can generate the most income to make it work."

Those are quotes from the same interview in August 2022. A 50/50 split with the location still to be decided, most likely the Middle East OR the UK. Do you understand that? Nowhere was Warren (or anyone else from Fury's team) saying these were the terms for a Saudi fight only. Saudi was NOT decided upon as the location at this point, it was merely a possibility.

In fact a 50/50 split would not even make sense in the context you're suggesting because the Saudis don't operate in purse splits, they make separate deals individually with each party. So to say that a 50/50 split only applied to a Saudi deal is demonstrably incorrect.

Ok so in regards to Fury not agreeing terms with Saudi; Do you have a source for that?

"There was an offer [to Tyson Fury], and it was a very good offer that was made last year to have this fight happen, and for whatever reason [it didn’t happen],” said Amer Abdullah of Skills Challenge Promotions

With the way Skills Challenge rep Abdullah is talking, they’re not going to mess around with Fury. If he starts demanding tons of money like the $120 million that he reportedly demanded from the Saudis last year for the Usyk fight, it’ll be the end of the negotiations.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...ecember/263908

There.

As for the rest of your post, 50-50 was only explicitly mentioned by anyone from team Fury when it was Saudi and Saudi only. I didn't say it was a split, it wasn't. What it means is, they both get paid the same amount of money, I.e a fuck ton.

False on all counts.

As I showed above, the 50/50 split was agreed upon before the location of the fight was decided. Warren even mentioned Wembley Stadium specifically as being a possibility.

You did say it was a split, and it was--because Saudi Arabia was NOT the sole possible location being discussed.

So you think a 50/50 split in this case means they both get paid the exact same amount of money for a fight in Saudi? No, that isn't how it works. The Saudis negotiate with each party privately and agree their own separate deals. What one man earns has nothing to do with the other. That's per Bob Arum.

[Dr. Z]

We are not at that point (the bolded) for now here is what I would say... Hypothetically: "prove that Usyk ducked the stiff croat" and you will tailor one of your narratives where, Usyk, unlike the many other heavyweights who have not fought the stiff croat, is actually deliberately avoiding such a fight. Ignoring the fact that the Stiff Croat is one of a whole bunch of heavyweights looking to make hay out of grass, like Sanchez, Jarret, etc.

Meanwhile, whether the SC can, or cannot win, judging from how Usyk has operated and the SC has performed, I will ask "why would a fighter who appears tailor made for Usyk, frighten a fighter who has really not ducked anyone..." Then I will concede that MAYBE there is a reason (not necessarily a duck) why Usyk does not want the Fury fight, at least not yet... That is exactly what I will do! Then I will say, as I have multiple posts on this thread: that nobody can possibly know who, why, or if either man "ducked" the other. As Iron Dan pointed out, Usyk is not above reproach, Fury's antics are simply more visible, and more risible frankly. We can only look at motivations and behavior as an antecedent for actions...

You can thank Juggernaut666. The point I was referencing was not that Usyk avoided anyone, merely that (paraphrasing a point I am considering made by Juggernaut) Usyk might be needing his legs to keep moving, and at 37, and judging from his last fight, he may be losing a step, which would make him more hittable. This is quite possible because as I believe from watching Usyk... He is a closet bully! he likes to get physical, and rough up his man. But he can only do this to a big heavyweight once he has connected with a percentage of his shots, and made the opponent chase him a bit. For example watch how Usyk goes after Bellew as soon as he sees Bellew is tiring, versus when he opens up against Dubois. Once Usyk cannot be as mobile he loses a lot of that ability.

The stiff croat does not really have a whole bunch of detractors, supporters, not yet...maybe if he beats Usyk.

Well, we will see what Usyk does with his mandatory IBF title defense. Does he honor it , or drop a belt? If he drops a belt for Hrgovic, one can say he scared stiff of him. Let them fight. I want to see it.

[N/A]

It will be interesting to see the division staller Usyk fighting twice in six months, while he fights once per year.

[Dr. Z]

It will be interesting to see the division staller Usyk fighting twice in six months, while he fights once per year.

Yes, the next wave of heavyweight contenders is coming. The young and under 34 year olds tend to fight each other more often than the 35 and over crowd. Fury and his affinity for fight old men and fat men is ending. He is fighting an 0-0 fighter next. Usyk is not the problem here, though he is getting older

[N/A]

Yes, the next wave of heavyweight contenders is coming. The young and under 34 year olds tend to fight each other more often than the 35 and over crowd. Fury and his affinity for fight old men and fat men is ending. He is fighting an 0-0 fighter next. Usyk is not the problem here, though he is getting older

Usyk fought two bags, one very good and one average in 4 years. Defends 4 titles once per year. So he ain't any different. The worst thing is the next generation that is coming doesn't seem to be very talented, but let's hope I am wrong.

[NYG]

Hrgovic. Another hypejob bum

[billeau2]

Well, we will see what Usyk does with his mandatory IBF title defense. Does he honor it , or drop a belt? If he drops a belt for Hrgovic, one can say he scared stiff of him. Let them fight. I want to see it.

Really? can we? There could be no other reason? and we know that know?

[_Rexy_]

Usyk fought two bags, one very good and one average in 4 years. Defends 4 titles once per year. So he ain't any different. The worst thing is the next generation that is coming doesn't seem to be very talented, but let's hope I am wrong.

Usyk had to wait a year for AJ to decide if he was going to drop the WBO belt, then had to wait another ****ing year for AJ to force us a useless rematch. Prior to that he was fighting 2-3 times a year