AJ vs Wilder bigger than Fury vs Usyk?

[4truth]

Sadly I agree. PPV is all about selling to the ignorant masses. Wilder and Joshua are better known names and you got that US vs UK element also.

I have to admit, I'd be equally excited for both fights. I have no valid excuse other than Joshua/Wilder promises to be fireworks.

[kafkod]

Benn and Eubank Jr SIGNED A CONTRACT you thick c***. Yet another desperate attempt to protect AJ/Hearn.

Did Fury and Joshua sign a contract you complete and utter fool? No they didn’t, because negotiations were unsuccessful.

Fury and Joshua was never official, was never confirmed and was never signed because it was never successfully negotiated. Only gullible idiots like you believed that fight was happening.

As I explained, Fury and Wilder had rival promoters and rival networks and they put politics aside and mate the fight.

Now, yet again, what politics did AJ and Usyk put aside? Or did you make them up in yet another desperate attempt to defend AJ/Hearn?

I guarantee you duck that question again you little b****.

How do you know whether Fury and AJ signed any contracts or not? Whether they did or they didn't, they couldn't have fought each other either way, because of an issue unconnected to their negotiations with each other, so your point is irrelevant.

As for your question .. so far as I know, Fury and Wilder were free agents, able to fight on whatever network they wanted.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

How do you know whether Fury and AJ signed any contracts or not? Whether they did or they didn't, they couldn't have fought each other either way, because of an issue unconnected to their negotiations with each other, so your point is irrelevant.

As for your question .. so far as I know, Fury and Wilder were free agents, able to fight on whatever network they wanted.

So Fury and AJ signed a contract now?
They didn’t sign contracts, because the negotiations were unsuccessful.

Fury had a promotional deal with Bob Arum and had a multi fight deal with ESPN. Wilder had a long-standing advisory deal with Al Haymon and had been exclusively promoted by PBC for years. You blatantly knew that as well. Yet again this is a desperate attempt to protect AJ/Hearn, you’re so f***ing transparent.

As I predicted you ducked it again like the b**** you are.

You claimed Usyk and Joshua put politics aside, so what were those politics you were referring to? Or did you make them up in yet another desperate attempt to defend AJ/Hearn? It’s a simple enough question.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fury vs Usyk is the first Undisputed Heavyweight fight for over 20 years.

Wilder vs Joshua is not a bigger fight. I know the media will try and make out?

That Wilder vs Joshua is a Hagler vs Hearns type of fight 'But really I don't think it is.

Because Joshua most likely is not going to fight Wilder by just moving forward 'Joshua is more likely to will varying tactics'.

Wilder vs Joshua is a appealing fight, it is a really good and intriguing fight 'But I think it is also a overrated match up'.

If people want to see a violent fight, straight up violence 'Then the fight to make is Joe Joyce vs Deontay Wilder'.

Stylistically that fight for me would be a more aggressive and violent fight 'More than Wilder vs Joshua'.

These are all good fights to make, but stylistically I don't think most of these match ups are what people are expecting.

Both Important fights IMO.

Fury vs. Usyk matters because it unifies all of the (major) belts, and more importantly; it brings all those belts back in line with the one REAL title, the Linial title worn by all the Legends of the oldest professional sport on earth.

The downside is that the self-serving "sanctioning bodies" will re-fragment that unified title within months, if not weeks, as sanctioning fees is their bread and butter.

Still, it will do wonders for the kegacy of the winner, likely to be Fury.

The Wilder vs. Joshua fight matters because it plugs Joshua back into the era's champions round robin that Fury and Wilder fought three times each in, but Joshua was forced to drop out of due to a string of losses to underdog opponents. That round robin was to be this era's Ali-Frazier-Forman-Norton tournament that created some of the biggest sporting events of the 20th century.

Joshua's failure to participate drops him well below Fury and Wilder in ranking the greats of this era, and Joshua's very good body of work in defending his title claim isn't enough any longer to save him from that drop.

But fortunately, there's still time and the ability potential for AJ to right the ship in his final charge, where his greatness might match his celebrity.

[kafkod]

So Fury and AJ signed a contract now?
They didn’t sign contracts, because the negotiations were unsuccessful.

Going by your retarded "logic" Eubank Jr and Benn didn't sign any contracts either. How could they have signed contracts when the fight never happened? The negotiations must have failed. Anybody who says they signed contracts must be lying.

You don't know whether Fury and AJ signed any contracts and it wouldn't have made any difference either way. We do know that the both sides confirmed that the deal had been done and the fight was on.

I'm not going to let you deflect into promoter wars and and network rivalries. That's your obsession, not mine. Stop deflecting and trying to change the subject.

[Boxing 112]

I don't get see why it would. Fury is as big as AJ in the UK and bigger than Wilder in the US. Usyk is unknown in the US, but well known and very popular just about everywhere else. Once Fury/Usyk gets signed and the networks and promoters involved start publicising it, I think the intrigue and glamour of the first undisputed heavyweight title fight of the present era, between 2 undefeated, charismatic champions, will catch the casual fans attention and turn it into a very big fight indeed.

AJ is bigger than Fury in the UK still. Fury is big as well. But AJ casual fan base is still larger. AJ Wilder will be huge and earn more than Wilder Fury never mind Fury Usyk. But the fight will not happen. AJ probably won't fight either

[kafkod]

Both Important fights IMO.

Fury vs. Usyk matters because it unifies all of the (major) belts, and more importantly; it brings all those belts back in line with the one REAL title, the Linial title worn by all the Legends of the oldest professional sport on earth.

The downside is that the self-serving "sanctioning bodies" will re-fragment that unified title within months, if not weeks, as sanctioning fees is their bread and butter.

Still, it will do wonders for the kegacy of the winner, likely to be Fury.

The Wilder vs. Joshua fight matters because it plugs Joshua back into the era's champions round robin that Fury and Wilder fought three times each in, but Joshua was forced to drop out of due to a string of losses to underdog opponents. That round robin was to be this era's Ali-Frazier-Forman-Norton tournament that created some of the biggest sporting events of the 20th century.

Joshua's failure to participate drops him well below Fury and Wilder in ranking the greats of this era, and Joshua's very good body of work in defending his title claim isn't enough any longer to save him from that drop.

But fortunately, there's still time and the ability potential for AJ to right the ship in his final charge, where his greatness might match his celebrity.

There hasn't been any round robin at the top of the HW division. We've had 2 of the top 4 guys fighting each other 3 times and the other 2 top 4 guys fighting each other twice. That's why it's so important, historically, for the winners of Fury/Wilder and AJ/Usyk to fight each other.

If they don't, this era will go down in history as the era when nobody knew who the top dog in the HW division really was.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Both Important fights IMO.

Fury vs. Usyk matters because it unifies all of the (major) belts, and more importantly; it brings all those belts back in line with the one REAL title, the Linial title worn by all the Legends of the oldest professional sport on earth.

The downside is that the self-serving "sanctioning bodies" will re-fragment that unified title within months, if not weeks, as sanctioning fees is their bread and butter.

Still, it will do wonders for the kegacy of the winner, likely to be Fury.

The Wilder vs. Joshua fight matters because it plugs Joshua back into the era's champions round robin that Fury and Wilder fought three times each in, but Joshua was forced to drop out of due to a string of losses to underdog opponents. That round robin was to be this era's Ali-Frazier-Forman-Norton tournament that created some of the biggest sporting events of the 20th century.

Joshua's failure to participate drops him well below Fury and Wilder in ranking the greats of this era, and Joshua's very good body of work in defending his title claim isn't enough any longer to save him from that drop.

But fortunately, there's still time and the ability potential for AJ to right the ship in his final charge, where his greatness might match his celebrity.

Joshua has 1 super elite level win vs Kiltschko 'If Joshua was to face Wilder now? I would still rate his win over Wladimir Kiltschko as a better win'.

Kiltschko was beaten by Fury, but he was not beaten up or knocked out 'Kiltschko endured three back to back training camps before fighting Joshua, and was inspired to win back his titles'.

Anthony Joshua not only beat Kiltschko, he knocked him out 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

Wilder has zero super elite level wins 'So although I rate Wilder very highly, as a Champion I cannot rank him above Joshua'.

Joshua has been one of the premier Champions of this era 'Overall Joshua still has a deeper resume than Tyson Fury'.

But Fury overall has the best wins, Kiltschko & Wilder and he is still unbeaten inside the professional boxing ring 'So of course Fury is right now ranked as number 1 Heavyweight in the game'.

I suppose the Wilder vs Joshua fight is important, because no matter where you rank all these fighters.

Fury, Wilder, Joshua have been the premier Heavyweights fighters of this era.

So what you are saying does have some validity. Joshua needs to face the two other premier heavyweight fighters of his era 'Which are Tyson Fury & Deontay Wilder'.

Joshua has faced Usyk twice, and Usyk is now a premier Heavyweight Champion and is a elite level fighter. And going into the second fight 'I did state that if Joshua was to beat Usyk, it would of been the greatest Heavyweight win since Evander Holyfield's win over Mike Tyson'.

It would of been the most significant Heavyweight win for over 25 years 'Due to the accomplishments of Usyk'. Usyk is the most accomplished active fighter in professional boxing, Olympic Champion, Former Cruiser-weight Undisputed Champion and current WBO, WBA, IBF and IBO Heavyweight Champion as well as being unbeaten'.

Joshua was 1 fight away from in my opinion challenging Fury as the number 1 ranked Heavyweight on pure Merritt 'Joshua would of had two super elite level wins on his record, and a overall deeper resume than Fury if he would of beaten Usyk'.

There would of been a genuine debate that Joshua could be classed as the premier ranked number 1 Heavyweight.

Note: I am not so sure whether a win over Wilder could still be classed as a elite level win? Neither Joshua or Wilder right now can claim that they are elite level fighters 'They are both World level fighters, contenders who are aiming to get back towards Elite level'.

But the points you are making whether I agree with them fully or not do have some validity as I said before.

Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua is still a mega big fight 'But it is not a bigger fight than Usyk vs Fury'.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Going by your retarded "logic" Eubank Jr and Benn didn't sign any contracts either. How could they have signed contracts when the fight never happened? The negotiations must have failed. Anybody who says they signed contracts must be lying.

You don't know whether Fury and AJ signed any contracts and it wouldn't have made any difference either way. We do know that the both sides confirmed that the deal had been done and the fight was on.

I'm not going to let you deflect into promoter wars and and network rivalries. That's your obsession, not mine. Stop deflecting and trying to change the subject.

We know Eubank and Benn signed contracts. The fight was officially announced you absolute m***. Fury vs Joshua was never official, not in 2020, not in 2022, not ever. I told everyone this from day one as well.

Fury and AJ obviously never signed contracts, you blatantly know they never as well. Again you’re just desperate to defend Eddie/AJ like the pathetic little cuck that you are.

Do you really believe Fury and AJ signed contracts? Yes or no?
Because if they did (which they obviously didn’t) do you not think those contracts would’ve been breached when the fight didn’t happen and they fought other people? Do you not think both teams would have sued each other over the breaching of a multi-million pound contract? Are you really this slow or are you just playing dumb to protect AJ/Eddie?

You’re the one changing the subject you spastic, I’ve been asking you the same question for like 5 pages now and you keep ducking the question like the little b**** you are. YOU CLAIMED that AJ and Usyk were “able to put politics aside”, so what were those politics? Or did you just make them up in a desperate attempt to defend AJ/Hearn?

[Willow The Wisp]

There hasn't been any round robin at the top of the HW division. We've had 2 of the top 4 guys fighting each other 3 times and the other 2 top 4 guys fighting each other twice. That's why it's so important, historically, for the winners of Fury/Wilder and AJ/Usyk to fight each other.

If they don't, this era will go down in history as the era when nobody knew who the top dog in the HW division really was.

There isn't any question as to who owns the era - It’s clearly Tyson Fury. This in light of his owning the only title acknowledged by history, by virtue of his never having been beaten, His epic 3x step up against the only other alphabet title claimant who managed to hold onto his title until unification fights could begin, and finally; by the fact that Joshua, long ago thought by many to have compiled the best resume of the three kings; is now so crestfallen, having lost three times (once horrifically) to Gentlemen that he was favored to beat (and should have beat).

The round-robbin was SUPPOSED to be a series of match-ups between Fury, Wilder and Joshua to settle the big question, and it was begun when both Fury and Wilder stepped up.

It was Joshua alone who failed to keep up his end of the bargain by becomming a 2 win - 3 loss contender blowing fights to 2 contenders from outside of the "Big Three".
Oleksandr Usyk was no "Top 4 guy" until he whipped Anthony Joshua. Beforehand he was just the former Cruiserweight king who looked ordinary against Chazz Witherspoon and Derrick Chisora.

We agree that these Fury/Wilder/AJ/Usyk/Ruiz fights most definitely must take place in order to wrap up this era properly.