Floyd Mayweather Avoided Everyone Who Had A Physical Advantage Over Him ... Genius or Fraudster?

[billeau2]

It's an illogical outlook from every angle.

Floyd has two fights in his career he arguably lost, that's Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. That's "getting by on tough fights" apparently.

Says' Roy Jones beat "atleast" two prime ATG's when you could easily argue he actually beat zero prime ATG's.

Then uses Ward as an example when he argubaly lost the first Kovalev fight and was almost knocked out by Darnell Boone.

Makes no sense.

1. I never disputed this first point James... I mean Dan
2. BS hopkins for sure Toney to many...
3. Ward, like Jones dominated his competition for virtually his entire career, for Ward this was at Middle. Including in a tourney of all the best in the division.

[Roadblock]

This is technically true but it's also due to his dimensions, which he can't help. I can't fault Fury for being bigger and faster than most of his foes. He's just using what he was born with. Same with Fundora using his massive height advantage over his opponents.

Mayweather is 67.5" with 72" reach. Most of the welterweights during Floyd's time were actually shorter than him, but physically bigger. Almost all of them were slower with shorter reach and most coaches, like Breadman etc, will tell you reach is much more important than height.

I actually wonder how he would have fared against Ray Leonard - just as fast, harder hitter, taller, more reach, Crawford - bigger, more power, more reach, and Spence - bigger, taller, same reach.

There is so much inherent fault here, first off what is bigger when boxing is about weight and he gave weight away most of his career, if a guy has long reach he will have long reach in his weight class, to say they only fight guys with shorter reach is an oxymoron, no different than saying Fury only fights guys shorter than himself.

The second is he is not a natural WW like Leonard Hearns Spence etc they started at WW Floyd started at 130, I stand the same for Manny its not fair to talk of them in ATG WW situations its not their best weight class which is 130/140 even though they fought higher, we don't talk about Leonard vs LHWs or Hearns vs CWs.

Height and reach don't mean anything if you don't have the speed and accuracy to capitalise, saying they're the most important traits only applies if you have the rest to go with them, there is no narrow traits that make any difference if the rest is not there, it only matters when all other things are equal, even one punch KO power doesn't help if you cannot land it you lose.

[billeau2]

When people hate you nothing you do will ever be good enough

Understandable why Floyd went with HIS fans and said f sports fans

Laughable when people say duck

a duck wouldn't have given Maidana an immediate rematch. The opponent who proved he could give you a tough fight

It works both ways I certainly agree that people tend to pick a side lol. I agree about the word "duck." Also, as said, I do not believe Floyd had any reason to fight Margarito.

[billeau2]

There is so much inherent fault here, first off what is bigger when boxing is about weight and he gave weight away most of his career, if a guy has long reach he will have long reach in his weight class, to say they only fight guys with shorter reach is an oxymoron, no different than saying Fury only fights guys shorter than himself.

The second is he is not a natural WW like Leonard Hearns Spence etc they started at WW Floyd started at 130, I stand the same for Manny its not fair to talk of them in ATG WW situations its not their best weight class which is 130/140 even though they fought higher, we don't talk about Leonard vs LHWs or Hearns vs CWs.

Height and reach don't mean anything if you don't have the speed and accuracy to capitalise, saying they're the most important traits only applies if you have the rest to go with them, there is no narrow traits that make any difference if the rest is not there, it only matters when all other things are equal, even one punch KO power doesn't help if you cannot land it you lose.

To say that reach was never an attribute that Floyd dealt with, or some such thing, does not necessarily imply Floyd did anything deliberate to avoid anyone. Its true about Floyd's size which makes me wonder why people get uptight when it is pointed out Floyd's best work was at the smaller weight classes. Dan always responds when anyone talks positively about James Toney lol... The guy is pathological in his hatred of James Toney...

[GrandpaBernard]

There is so much inherent fault here, first off what is bigger when boxing is about weight and he gave weight away most of his career, if a guy has long reach he will have long reach in his weight class, to say they only fight guys with shorter reach is an oxymoron, no different than saying Fury only fights guys shorter than himself.

The second is he is not a natural WW like Leonard Hearns Spence etc they started at WW Floyd started at 130, I stand the same for Manny its not fair to talk of them in ATG WW situations its not their best weight class which is 130/140 even though they fought higher, we don't talk about Leonard vs LHWs or Hearns vs CWs.

Height and reach don't mean anything if you don't have the speed and accuracy to capitalise, saying they're the most important traits only applies if you have the rest to go with them, there is no narrow traits that make any difference if the rest is not there, it only matters when all other things are equal, even one punch KO power doesn't help if you cannot land it you lose.

you know what's funny

manny actually outweighed Floyd on the night of their fight

That's how light Floyd was in his fights. He was outweighed by the guy with a rep for being small

long arms by themselves don't make someone physically imposing

long arms and skinny body is the classic physique of nerds

[Roadblock]

you know what's funny

manny actually outweighed Floyd on the night of their fight

That's how light Floyd was in his fights. He was outweighed by the guy with a rep for being small

long arms by themselves don't make someone physically imposing

long arms and skinny body is the classic physique of nerds

Its because of the psychology behind it, the bigger they can make Floyd out to be the more than can say he had advantages that was all the BS of him being MW on fight night lol, they don't want to admit he was the one handicapped in the majority of his fights because it praises what he did, and flip the script Manny outweighed Morales Barerra and JMM but they don't want to entertain that, the truth is the haters have more double standards concerning Floyd than anybody else.

[tritium_arma]

There is so much inherent fault here, first off what is bigger when boxing is about weight and he gave weight away most of his career, if a guy has long reach he will have long reach in his weight class, to say they only fight guys with shorter reach is an oxymoron, no different than saying Fury only fights guys shorter than himself.

The second is he is not a natural WW like Leonard Hearns Spence etc they started at WW Floyd started at 130, I stand the same for Manny its not fair to talk of them in ATG WW situations its not their best weight class which is 130/140 even though they fought higher, we don't talk about Leonard vs LHWs or Hearns vs CWs.

Height and reach don't mean anything if you don't have the speed and accuracy to capitalise, saying they're the most important traits only applies if you have the rest to go with them, there is no narrow traits that make any difference if the rest is not there, it only matters when all other things are equal, even one punch KO power doesn't help if you cannot land it you lose.

Nothing inherently wrong with it at all. Mayweather's size disadvantage was never more than 10 pounds. Ask any coach, they'd rather have the 10 pound lighter fighter with 3 inch longer reach than the other way around. Is that Mayweather's fault? No, but to say he was fighting much larger fighters is an exaggeration when he was always within an inch of their heights, 10 pounds in weight, and always had the reach advantage.

[Roadblock]

Nothing inherently wrong with it at all. Mayweather's size disadvantage was never more than 10 pounds. Ask any coach, they'd rather have the 10 pound lighter fighter with 3 inch longer reach than the other way around. Is that Mayweather's fault? No, but to say he was fighting much larger fighters is an exaggeration when he was always within an inch of their heights, 10 pounds in weight, and always had the reach advantage.

Never more than 10 pounds where are you working that out from? what was Oscar Canelo Maidana, the proof is out there don't just throw an answer, of the top my head it was close to 20lbs Oscar, 15 Maidana, 18 Canelo, Castillo 10-15,,,,, where are you pulling 10 from?

Ask any coach what attributes are most important on a fighter that's a dud, when top fighters meet there is no best attribute because its the sum of the whole that makes the fighter.

[IronDanHamza]

1. I never disputed this first point James... I mean Dan

If you don't dispute that they're the only fights that Floyd arguably lost, then how was he not dominant in his career?

2. BS hopkins for sure Toney to many...

Well, your verbiage was "at least" two ATG's in their prime, when it's really not "at least" two, is it? It's arguably two. Definitely not "at least" two.

3. Ward, like Jones dominated his competition for virtually his entire career, for Ward this was at Middle. Including in a tourney of all the best in the division.

Andre Ward didn't dominate Kovalev either time, he arguably lost the first one and wasn't dominant in the 2nd one either. Also was almost knocked out by Boone. So, no. He was definitely not more dominant than Floyd was


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[IronDanHamza]

To say that reach was never an attribute that Floyd dealt with, or some such thing, does not necessarily imply Floyd did anything deliberate to avoid anyone. Its true about Floyd's size which makes me wonder why people get uptight when it is pointed out Floyd's best work was at the smaller weight classes. Dan always responds when anyone talks positively about James Toney lol... The guy is pathological in his hatred of James Toney...

My post mentioned SIX fighters by name, none of which were James Toney, yet you pluck this (lack of) logic out of thin air to somehow mean my post was about Toney even though there is literally no mention of Toney

Still crying like a small baby. It's about time you took your tampon out.