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Floyd Mayweather Avoided Everyone Who Had A Physical Advantage Over Him ... Genius or Fraudster?
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
What version of Manny would beat Floyd, pick one, no CWs and no fighters coming of loss or draws within 2 fights, pick one?
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Originally posted by Cypocryphy View PostI was thinking about this today from a different post, that Floyd never fought anyone who had a size advantage over him, and I don't mean height because height doesn't mean anything if it doesn't include a reach advantage.
But everyone Floyd fought never had a reach advantage over him. At 5' 8" he had a a 72" reach. You can go down Boxrec and see for yourselves that Floyd never fought anyone with an excess of 72" in reach. And it just so happens that the big names that Floyd is accused of ducking had a longer reach than him. Sergio Martinez, Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams.
The Paul Williams one definitely stands out to me. Here's Paul's own words about Floyd avoiding him:And that's really what it comes down to, that Floyd avoided any fighter that could have a good chance of beating him, and those fighters were fighters who had a physical advantage over Floyd. It's not secret that Floyd cherry picked his opponents. That was no more evident than when Floyd put out a poll for his fans to pick his next opponent, with Khan and Maidana as polling options. The fans picked Khan, so of course, Floyd fights Maidana. If anyone still doubts that Floyd ducked and dodged opponents, that right there should tell you otherwise. And Maidana was almost a "cherry pick gone wrong."
I suppose it's not secret that Floyd's career is partly a magic act, but I was suddenly aware that Floyd didn't fight anyone with a physical advantage over him. A boxer with a reach advantage over Floyd would have drastically negated one of his biggest advantages—controlling distance.
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Originally posted by ELPacman View Post
You can flip that back around and say the same about Jr. Ignoring that dumdum request, I'll say the Pac that blitzed Cotto was the most dangerous version of Pac that Jr. could of faced.
As far as Floyd fighting that Manny there would be no CW and Floyd would be in peak form, and what Im pointing out is when those conditions are met you don't have the same Manny.
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Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
Floyd is 26 inch arms
margarito has longer reach due to broader shoulders
but his actual arms weren’t as long
cant hold being born with freakishly long arms against Floyd
anyways a taller guy with longer reach and probably arms
Erislandy Lara
he would definitely try using his length
Madianna was a tough fight for Floyd both times... Floyd got the nods, but madiana had success against Floyd because of his size... being a full size Middle weight and all.
The irony here is that no Floyd did not necessarily duck... But he chose his competition carefully. I like the comparison between Jones and Mayweather it tells a real story imo:
Roy beat at least two ATG's at prime. Mayweather none.
Roy (and Ward for that matter) dominated his opposition at his best... Mayweather got by on tough fights.
At 135 Floyd is one of the best, but imo there are comparable fighters in his generation.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
I definitely give Floyd a pass on margarito. Margarito did not use reach, his game was as a pressure guy and winning a fight against him or losing a fight against him was potentially career shortening. Floyd never had a reason to fight margarito.
Madianna was a tough fight for Floyd both times... Floyd got the nods, but madiana had success against Floyd because of his size... being a full size Middle weight and all.
The irony here is that no Floyd did not necessarily duck... But he chose his competition carefully. I like the comparison between Jones and Mayweather it tells a real story imo:
Roy beat at least two ATG's at prime. Mayweather none.
Roy (and Ward for that matter) dominated his opposition at his best... Mayweather got by on tough fights.
At 135 Floyd is one of the best, but imo there are comparable fighters in his generation.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
No you cant, and like I said NO CWS no opponents coming of a loss inside a few fights, that's my point Mannys best fights are only those and this is what his fans hold onto, if its Cotto you chose, why did Manny refuse to fight the man twice without a CW, you just said he Blizted Cotto, then why call the man out for a second fight and when Cotto said no problems but no CW Manny refused, its the same Cotto isn't it,,,,, have a good think about that.
As far as Floyd fighting that Manny there would be no CW and Floyd would be in peak form, and what Im pointing out is when those conditions are met you don't have the same Manny.
The version of Manny that beat Cotto and Hatton, Floyd made sure he either faked a retirement or went on one of those extended vacationsLast edited by djtmal; 11-21-2022, 04:56 PM.
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Originally posted by djtmal View Post
Floyd was especially scared of the version of Manny that beat Cotto.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
The 2nd Maidana fight was easy it wasn't a tough fight at all it was totally different than the first fight Floyd just boxed, first fight was a phone booth.
Floyd has two fights in his career he arguably lost, that's Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. That's "getting by on tough fights" apparently.
Says' Roy Jones beat "atleast" two prime ATG's when you could easily argue he actually beat zero prime ATG's.
Then uses Ward as an example when he argubaly lost the first Kovalev fight and was almost knocked out by Darnell Boone.
Makes no sense.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
No he tried to fight him, signed the contract, offered Manny his biggest purse, and agreed to every demand Manny wanted, including a 10 million weight forfeit, Manny did not want to be blood tested and walked out, that's what happened.
Did a smiliar tactic when he didn't want to fight Margarito and Winky Wright. This is what Floyd do when he don't want the fight. He fakes like he wants then at the last possible second throws a wrench in the bench, and the whole thing is scrapped.
Last edited by djtmal; 11-21-2022, 05:12 PM.
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