Floyd Mayweather Avoided Everyone Who Had A Physical Advantage Over Him ... Genius or Fraudster?

[Roadblock]

Pac wasn't going to beat Jr. at 35 years old or whatever age he was at that point. Everyone already knew, the killer instinct that made him a legend had left him. His style was no longer the same. Especially after the Marquez KO. He was a bit more resistant. An aging offensive fighter will never do well against an aging defensive fighter. Offense relies on youth, stamina, strength, power, I'd even say recklessness, etc.

I would of picked Pac 100% to beat Jr. when he was around 30-31 yrs old. He was a monster at that point of his career. Though of course we didn't get it. At this point, I still don't consider that we ever saw the fight despite what was put out on a farce PPV.

What version of Manny would beat Floyd, pick one, no CWs and no fighters coming of loss or draws within 2 fights, pick one?

[ELPacman]

What version of Manny would beat Floyd, pick one, no CWs and no fighters coming of loss or draws within 2 fights, pick one?

You can flip that back around and say the same about Jr. Ignoring that dumdum request, I'll say the Pac that blitzed Cotto was the most dangerous version of Pac that Jr. could of faced.

[billeau2]

I was thinking about this today from a different post, that Floyd never fought anyone who had a size advantage over him, and I don't mean height because height doesn't mean anything if it doesn't include a reach advantage.

But everyone Floyd fought never had a reach advantage over him. At 5' 8" he had a a 72" reach. You can go down Boxrec and see for yourselves that Floyd never fought anyone with an excess of 72" in reach. And it just so happens that the big names that Floyd is accused of ducking had a longer reach than him. Sergio Martinez, Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams.

The Paul Williams one definitely stands out to me. Here's Paul's own words about Floyd avoiding him:

"I don't think Floyd Mayweather will fight me anytime," Williams said. "Manny Pacquiao, he might do it, he might step up but not Floyd. I guess Floyd won't fight me because I don't have a ******."

That X-rated shot, obviously, is a reference to the Baby Mama drama which briefly sent Mayweather to jail and led to domestic battery charges in Las Vegas.

Williams and Peterson don't think that Al Haymon's status as adviser to them, and to Mayweather, is what keeps the fighters apart.

"I was in the barbershop in (Washington) D.C., the other day and the guys were talking about it. They respect Floyd's skills like I do but they were saying they know he won't ever fight me," Williams said.

"If Floyd went to Al and said, "Hey, I want to fight Paul Williams, what can Al do? But Floyd is not going to ever say that. Pacquiao, he fights bigger guys, he's different than Mayweather so maybe I will get to fight him."

Like many others, Williams thinks Mayweather's obsession is being undefeated.

"Floyd ranks himself with Ray Robinson, with Joe Louis, all these guys..but all those great guys, they all lost sometime. Mayweather won't take a hard fight, he won't take the chance of losing."

And that's really what it comes down to, that Floyd avoided any fighter that could have a good chance of beating him, and those fighters were fighters who had a physical advantage over Floyd. It's not secret that Floyd cherry picked his opponents. That was no more evident than when Floyd put out a poll for his fans to pick his next opponent, with Khan and Maidana as polling options. The fans picked Khan, so of course, Floyd fights Maidana. If anyone still doubts that Floyd ducked and dodged opponents, that right there should tell you otherwise. And Maidana was almost a "cherry pick gone wrong."

I suppose it's not secret that Floyd's career is partly a magic act, but I was suddenly aware that Floyd didn't fight anyone with a physical advantage over him. A boxer with a reach advantage over Floyd would have drastically negated one of his biggest advantages—controlling distance.

Interesting observation. He fought bigger guys like as he aged, but not guys with reach, as you say.

[Roadblock]

You can flip that back around and say the same about Jr. Ignoring that dumdum request, I'll say the Pac that blitzed Cotto was the most dangerous version of Pac that Jr. could of faced.

No you cant, and like I said NO CWS no opponents coming of a loss inside a few fights, that's my point Mannys best fights are only those and this is what his fans hold onto, if its Cotto you chose, why did Manny refuse to fight the man twice without a CW, you just said he Blizted Cotto, then why call the man out for a second fight and when Cotto said no problems but no CW Manny refused, its the same Cotto isn't it,,,,, have a good think about that.

As far as Floyd fighting that Manny there would be no CW and Floyd would be in peak form, and what Im pointing out is when those conditions are met you don't have the same Manny.

[billeau2]

Floyd is 26 inch arms

margarito has longer reach due to broader shoulders

but his actual arms weren’t as long

cant hold being born with freakishly long arms against Floyd

anyways a taller guy with longer reach and probably arms

Erislandy Lara

he would definitely try using his length

I definitely give Floyd a pass on margarito. Margarito did not use reach, his game was as a pressure guy and winning a fight against him or losing a fight against him was potentially career shortening. Floyd never had a reason to fight margarito.

Madianna was a tough fight for Floyd both times... Floyd got the nods, but madiana had success against Floyd because of his size... being a full size Middle weight and all.

The irony here is that no Floyd did not necessarily duck... But he chose his competition carefully. I like the comparison between Jones and Mayweather it tells a real story imo:

Roy beat at least two ATG's at prime. Mayweather none.
Roy (and Ward for that matter) dominated his opposition at his best... Mayweather got by on tough fights.

At 135 Floyd is one of the best, but imo there are comparable fighters in his generation.

[Roadblock]

I definitely give Floyd a pass on margarito. Margarito did not use reach, his game was as a pressure guy and winning a fight against him or losing a fight against him was potentially career shortening. Floyd never had a reason to fight margarito.

Madianna was a tough fight for Floyd both times... Floyd got the nods, but madiana had success against Floyd because of his size... being a full size Middle weight and all.

The irony here is that no Floyd did not necessarily duck... But he chose his competition carefully. I like the comparison between Jones and Mayweather it tells a real story imo:

Roy beat at least two ATG's at prime. Mayweather none.
Roy (and Ward for that matter) dominated his opposition at his best... Mayweather got by on tough fights.

At 135 Floyd is one of the best, but imo there are comparable fighters in his generation.

The 2nd Maidana fight was easy it wasn't a tough fight at all it was totally different than the first fight Floyd just boxed, first fight was a phone booth.

[djtmal]

No you cant, and like I said NO CWS no opponents coming of a loss inside a few fights, that's my point Mannys best fights are only those and this is what his fans hold onto, if its Cotto you chose, why did Manny refuse to fight the man twice without a CW, you just said he Blizted Cotto, then why call the man out for a second fight and when Cotto said no problems but no CW Manny refused, its the same Cotto isn't it,,,,, have a good think about that.

As far as Floyd fighting that Manny there would be no CW and Floyd would be in peak form, and what Im pointing out is when those conditions are met you don't have the same Manny.

Floyd was especially scared of the version of Manny that beat Cotto.

The version of Manny that beat Cotto and Hatton, Floyd made sure he either faked a retirement or went on one of those extended vacations

[Roadblock]

Floyd was especially scared of the version of Manny that beat Cotto.

No he tried to fight him, signed the contract, offered Manny his biggest purse, and agreed to every demand Manny wanted, including a 10 million weight forfeit, Manny did not want to be blood tested and walked out, that's what happened.

[IronDanHamza]

The 2nd Maidana fight was easy it wasn't a tough fight at all it was totally different than the first fight Floyd just boxed, first fight was a phone booth.

It's an illogical outlook from every angle.

Floyd has two fights in his career he arguably lost, that's Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. That's "getting by on tough fights" apparently.

Says' Roy Jones beat "atleast" two prime ATG's when you could easily argue he actually beat zero prime ATG's.

Then uses Ward as an example when he argubaly lost the first Kovalev fight and was almost knocked out by Darnell Boone.

Makes no sense.

[djtmal]

No he tried to fight him, signed the contract, offered Manny his biggest purse, and agreed to every demand Manny wanted, including a 10 million weight forfeit, Manny did not want to be blood tested and walked out, that's what happened.

No thats not exactly what happened. Everything was agreed to on both sides, then at the 11th hour Floyd came back and wanted to throw in additional blood testing, demanded blood testing be done all the way up to the fight and knew Manny wouldn't go far that.

Did a smiliar tactic when he didn't want to fight Margarito and Winky Wright. This is what Floyd do when he don't want the fight. He fakes like he wants then at the last possible second throws a wrench in the bench, and the whole thing is scrapped.